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Those who know, know. These are about the best large rifle primers created. Providing the most consistent velocities of any primer I ever used in my match rifle. These are extremely sought after (just google them) and you cannot get them anymore. I have 10k I'd let go because I switched calibers in my match gun and new use small rifle primers. When you could get these they were about $35/k plus shipping and hazmat. I'd like $350 for them all and they are still sealed.