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So are you allowing your negative experiences to keep you from training classes?

No. I am allowing my realistic experiences keep me cautious about bad or inappropriate training classes. We all are affected and formed by our experiences. One close call from bad training was bad enough. Training that literally results in life or death is a pass/fail, not a bell curve.
Therefore I am now much more selective and careful about who I choose. For the record, I have had good training experiences in the past. However, they don't offer classes anymore.
 
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I just got done this afternoon with the joint AMTAC integrated combatives/Press check Consulting No Fail Pistol course. That's the second time I've trained with Bill and the first time I've trained with Chuck. I feel confident recommending both of those guys for training.
 
These are right up there with YouTubers insisting on showing me the weapon is clear, before starting the video. Or the ubiquitous "tip to butt" GarandThumb shout out (nothing against GarandThumb). Or everyone and their aunt using shot timers, because they saw someone cool use shot timers, so shot timers must be cool, therefore I need a shot timer, even though I don't know what they are used for...

It's like the 2A version of virtue signalling.
I spent a long time wondering why people with game boys were running behind guys playing shooting bowling.
 
I just got done this afternoon with the joint AMTAC integrated combatives/Press check Consulting No Fail Pistol course. That's the second time I've trained with Bill and the first time I've trained with Chuck. I feel confident recommending both of those guys for training.
Both are top notch in their fields.

Have had both on my range twice over the years, and both run my ammo.
 
I have used Northwest Precision. Very comprehensive and helpful. Even after 55 years owning and shooting, I learned a LOT from taking their 201 course.


While on this subject, someone I know who has never touched a gun recently took a firearm safety course, got a certificate that says Firearm and Concealed Carry etc. But it was only classroom, they have still never touched a firearm. So they could get a concealed carry permit, yet wouldn't actually even know to shoot? This doesn't seem right to me. Even if the law doesn't require practical training, I sure couldn't in good conscience issue a cert to someone who has never handled or shot a firearm, and verifying that they can do so safely. Am I wrong?
 
While on this subject, someone I know who has never touched a gun recently took a firearm safety course, got a certificate that says Firearm and Concealed Carry etc. But it was only classroom, they have still never touched a firearm. So they could get a concealed carry permit, yet wouldn't actually even know to shoot? This doesn't seem right to me. Even if the law doesn't require practical training, I sure couldn't in good conscience issue a cert to someone who has never handled or shot a firearm, and verifying that they can do so safely. Am I wrong?
Like I said elsewhere, that's not training, that's jumping through hoops.
 
Am I wrong?
Since you asked so bluntly, yes you are. Let's equate your "cert" to a driver's license. Millions of people have driver's licenses, yet thousands of them are a menace on the roads, killing or maiming thousands of people and doing untold millions of dollars in property damage every year. Most of them have had "training" and passed a test to get their "cert", yet have no business being on the road. Compare that to the many thousands of concealed carriers in the 27 states that only require you to have a firearm and enough clothes to cover it, yet the number of accidents is tiny, the deaths and injuries few, the property destruction non-existent. You are placing value on the "cert" that it does not deserve. Aside from the unconstitutionality of it, "certs" and CHLs are, as said above, hoops to jump through, and purposeful impediments to exercising your freedom, with no real application to safety.
 
I've had the opportunity to train with many different instructors. I really enjoyed Oregon Firearms Academy when it was still in Brownsville, I enjoyed Thunder Ranch when it was still Clint Smith's to run (I don't know anything about the new ownership), and I enjoyed Randy Cain with Cumberland Tactics. I also enjoyed Todd Fletcher's class before he moved to Texas. I've also trained with Larry Vickers and other notable instructors.
The bottom line I've got from them is that (assuming it's safe, reasonable training) I get something good from all the instructors I've had. Whoever you go see and whatever your experience, go into it with a growth mindset. I don't like everything they all say, but here is always something good!

Some of the best instruction I've got has been from friends and acquaintances at the range during a shooting day.
I've shot enough to know I don't know everything. I've seen the wrong end of a gun, but never had anyone shoot at me. I don't shoot competitions, but I don't look down on those that do. They have great knowledge to impart as well!
Just learn to listen and stay safe and you can get good info from many places!

Safe shooting!
 

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