Who do you Trust for Training?

[spookshack]

Recommendations for best route in obtaining cc license?

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Concealed Handgun Licenses | Washington County, OR

The Sheriff's Office is responsible for processing all Concealed Handgun Licenses for Washington County.

www.washingtoncountyor.gov

 

[wired]

Army Training Sir

 

[titsonritz]

Army Training Sir

I've met plenty of Army, Navy, Air Force and Coast Guard guys who couldn't shoot for sh*t, but I've never meant a Marine that couldn't shoot.

 

[titsonritz]

Rather than starting a new thread I'll just put this here..:

View: https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=ZIDLZwfe4Qg

 

[wired]

I've met plenty of Army, Navy, Air Force and Coast Guard guys who couldn't shoot for sh*t, but I've never meant a Marine that couldn't shoot.

Haven't spent much time with the airframe guys

 

[MikeE]

Public Safety Training Center | Clackamas County

The Public Safety Training Center is a great indoor shooting range in Clackamas Oregon. In addition to the handgun and rifle shooting range, you can take tactical shooting classes, gun safety courses, defensive shooting classes and survival workshops. We also offer fingerprinting, and passport...

www.clackamas.us

 

[TTSX]

Paul Harrell videos are my go to. He lets you be the judge

 

[wired]

Paul Harrell videos are my go to. He lets you be the judge

RIP

 

[teflon6string]

Army Training Sir

Yup! Expert Pistol on a DD-214 should suffice in lieu of a commercially obtained training certificate, at least it used to.

 

[Explorer1]

Yup! Expert Pistol on a DD-214 should suffice in lieu of a commercially obtained training certificate, at least it used to.

As an NRA instructor myself, one with a military expert pistol badge, I'll not put as much faith credential in that as yourself. IMHO neither is solid proof you can apply in the real world what was learned in the training environment. Nor will I claim my certificates make me a fantastic source of information; just makes me another source.
And no, I do not believe one size fits all.

 

[teflon6string]

As an NRA instructor myself, one with a military expert pistol badge, I'll not put as much faith credential in that as yourself. IMHO neither is solid proof you can apply in the real world what was learned in the training environment. Nor will I claim my certificates make me a fantastic source of information; just makes me another source.
And no, I do not believe one size fits all.

Didn't say any of that. What I said was that it is (or at least was) accepted by a number of entities issuing CC permits. Maybe that has changed.

 

[Explorer1]

Didn't say any of that. What I said was that it is (or at least was) accepted by a number of entities issuing CC permits. Maybe that has changed.

No offense intended. We can probably agree what is required by a state, if any, as training for a CC is not really training. Could be considered familiarization.

 

[wired]

Didn't say any of that. What I said was that it is (or at least was) accepted by a number of entities issuing CC permits. Maybe that has changed.

My state accepted it as a means of forgoing the pistol shooting section of the CCW class, which was really 6 hours of the instructor pushing legal services.

 

[teflon6string]

No offense intended. We can probably agree what is required by a state, if any, as training for a CC is not really training. Could be considered familiarization.

Of course. Some is good and some is awful.

The worst "training" I ever saw was a PowerPoint presented to 20-30 folks in a room big enough for maybe 10-12, with overflow attendees standing in the hall looking through the door. 90% of the time was devoted to getting the papers passed around, filled out/collected and payments processed.

A disgrace to the profession. The hosting gun store in Beaverton shut down years ago. And good riddance IMHO.

 

[1775usmc]

I've met plenty of Army, Navy, Air Force and Coast Guard guys who couldn't shoot for sh*t, but I've never meant a Marine that couldn't shoot.

Our standards are different. Or atleast they used to be. Although I witnessed Marines who had to have their hands held to qualify. Seen plenty on NDs and odd ball stuff on the range. 500 meters with iron sights. Now they qual with acogs. Only certain MOS get pistol qualified/carry pistols.

With that said just because someone is LE/Mil/Agency doesn't qualify them as an instructor, shooter, or tactically proficient.

But I'm with you. There is plenty to learn from S.W.A.T. or Combat Veterans. I disagree with the statements from specific members above telling "civilians" to avoid those kind of instructors. I want an instructor who has actually done what they are teaching.

Edit - those kind of instructors do have a certain mentality and are not concerned with your feelings. It's real world training.

Just personal preference I guess…

 

[titsonritz]

No offense intended. We can probably agree what is required by a state, if any, as training for a CC is not really training. Could be considered familiarization.

Definitely not training, more like jumping through hoops.

 

[Sarah Rudolph]

As a certified NRA instructor, I see lots of new firearms owners come through the classes.

For experienced owners, if you need, or want training, what's your go to source?

I Need to watch the video for 1143 & answer the questions,so that I can start My 10 day waiting period for My Firearm!!!

 

[Flamingo]

Got a friend in Portland in desperate need of basic hands-on training mostly focused on the 4 fundamental rules of safe gun handling (or 3 NRA). Nothing fancy, "tactical" or promising tighter groups. Just safe range procedures and trigger discipline. What's a good local/semi-local place to recommend?

Thanks for ideas.

540 Training is near Portland. I know several of the instructors and they are top notch.

 

[teflon6string]

540 Training is near Portland. I know several of the instructors and they are top notch.

Thanks, I'll take a look at them.

 

[Rkangel]

I'm in the "I don't trust anyone" camp, because an instructor's marketing claims about himself mean jack to me. In previous personal and professional lives, regardless of the subject matter, I have been to too many classes, courses, trainers and experts that promise the stars but deliver crap.

I've made this comparison to martial arts trainers before and it still stands true IMO. Most don't prepare you for anything other than some cool gear and a lighter wallet. In the martial arts world we called them "black belt factories". A friend and I spent years of time and money working up the belt ranks through one of these systems that promised quality self defense training... until the time called for us to have to use what we "learned". As you can imagine, it was an utter and spectacular failure, with my friend going to ER, the perpetrator barely scratched and getting away, and me wondering what just happened. That day I realized I had been scammed for years for nothing but useless marketing drivel and colorful belts. So I left the dojo. My friend on the other hand didn't want to admit our "quality training" was BS in spite of his broken nose, missing teeth and hospital stay. To this day he still tries to convince himself and others that he is part of the best self defense martial arts system available.... Which is the other part of the lesson I learned from this: "Be skeptical of student endorsements because they may have drunk the kool-aid."

For those who are good trainers, I applaud your work and the tenacity it takes to convince people like me that you aren't the equivalent of a "black belt factory"...we just don't know who you are yet and we can be a tough nut to crack.