National What is 2A absolutism?

[mithrandir]

I do not consider myself a 2A absolutist, but I am curious what folks here think counts as 2A absolutism. My understanding is that it opposes any and all direct or incidental restrictions on purchasing, ownership, and use of arms whatsoever.

My view is basically that there may be some restrictions that are constitutional, but they would have to pass strict scrutiny (meaning that the restriction must be the least restrictive option that actually accomplishes a compelling government interest). By way of analogy, I don't think that the Second Amendment offers more protection to the right it enshrines than the First Amendment does for the rights it contains. The government is allowed to place some restrictions on speech and religious expression, so there may also be some restrictions on arms that are permissible.

Curious for the thoughts of the good folks of NWFA!

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[ilikegunspdx]

Personally I don't care one way or another about absolutism in anything. Kinda sounds like a religion. I really don't know what it means and don't care. I supposed if you lived by yourself on an island absolutism would be different than living in a society.

If people support 2A I'm good with that. I don't like people like Rosie odonell fat cow who is absolutist against guns. Ferguson in WA is another one of those. They try to force others to live how they think they should live, irregardless of their individual rights. I'm 100% against that.

 

[Andy54Hawken]

Not a fan of labels.

Speaking only for myself here in regards to the 2nd Amendment....

Own whatever arms you wish to own...or don't own any.....
Just don't make that choice for others.

What others do , think , say . etc....
Is fine for them...no one has to do the same as I do.
However...I do not like to be controlled or made to suffer the consequences for the actions of others.

We already have over 20, 000 firearm laws , bans , restrictions , requirements , etc...in place here in the US.
If those were the answer......we wouldn't have a problem.

If you want the same results....keep doing the same thing.
In this case...keep adding laws , bans , restrictions etc....
If you want different results....you gotta do something different.
Andy

 

[Koda]

I do not consider myself a 2A absolutist, but I am curious what folks here think counts as 2A absolutism.

That the law means what it says.

You should be able to own arms sufficient for securing a free state. If you cant, its unconsitutional.

 

[Mark W.]

First time I have ever seen this term. Give me a couple days to think on it.

 

[arakboss]

I do not consider myself a 2A absolutist, but I am curious what folks here think counts as 2A absolutism. My understanding is that it opposes any and all direct or incidental restrictions on purchasing, ownership, and use of arms whatsoever.

My view is basically that there may be some restrictions that are constitutional, but they would have to pass strict scrutiny (meaning that the restriction must be the least restrictive option that actually accomplishes a compelling government interest). By way of analogy, I don't think that the Second Amendment offers more protection to the right it enshrines than the First Amendment does for the rights it contains. The government is allowed to place some restrictions on speech and religious expression, so there may also be some restrictions on arms that are permissible.

Curious for the thoughts of the good folks of NWFA!

I am one of those fringe 2A Absolutist. No restrictions period.

 

[mithrandir]

I am one of those fringe 2A Absolutist. No restrictions period.

Never said it's fringe, nor do I think it is. Even if it's a minority report among Americans, I think a substantial amount of people hold the position.

Does that include nukes?

 

[MTpockets]

I don't know if nukes will fit on my hard points....

 

[arakboss]

Never said it's fringe, nor do I think it is. Even if it's a minority report among Americans, I think a substantial amount of people hold the position.

Does that include nukes?

It is fringe. When you start drilling down on what restrictions people will approve of, you will find that most will accept some restrictions. Bring on the nukes.

 

[mithrandir]

It is fringe. When you start drilling down on what restrictions people will approve of, you will find that most will accept some restrictions. Bring on the nukes.

Hell yeah, I love the consistency.

 

[WAYNO]

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[1775usmc]

People who claim to be absolutists also apply for CCW permits, fill out 4473s and go through back ground checks, abide by all the laws, and file/pay for tax stamps.

Absolutist is great in ideology but is not realistic in this day and age. We will never get back to that point. It's just the truth. You can be an "absolutist" all you want but if you abide by the laws put in place it's a bit hypocritical. To claim to be an absolutist but then "bend the knee" for a lack of better terms. In no way am I judging people. It's just not a reality. Unless you want to run the risk of serious prison time. Which if that's the case I take what I said back and more power to you. Just don't throw a fit when you get a new set of bracelets and trade your wife/girlfriend out for a new boyfriend.

At times you gotta play the game to have and carry what you want.

 

[arakboss]

People who claim to be absolutists also apply for CCW permits, fill out 4473d and go through back ground checks, abide by all the laws, and file/pay for tax stamps.

Absolutist is great in ideology but is not realistic in this day and age. We will never get back to that point. It's just the truth. You can be an "absolutist" all you want but if you abide by the laws put in place it's a bit hypocritical. To claim to be an absolutist but then "bend the knee" for a lack of better terms. In no way am I judging people. It's just not a reality. Unless you want to run the risk of serious prison time. Which if that's the case I take what I said back and more power to you. Just don't throw a fit when you get a new set of bracelets and trade your wife/girlfriend out for a new boyfriend.

At times you gotta play the game to have and carry what you want.

The question is whether a person would vote for the restrictions.

 

[Koda]

Does that include nukes?

Whatever arms that are necessary for the security of a free state.

 

[1775usmc]

The question is whether a person would vote for the restrictions.

At the end of the day what matters is do your actions match your words/point of view.

I vote against all the restrictions but I try to stay within the law. I won't claim to be an absolutist because it's hypocritical to claim that and in the same breath go along with the restrictions.

 

[CamoDeafie]

A well regulated militia-a militia as well equipped as any military in the world

Being necessary for the security of a free state- to protect national interests, towns, and people

The right of the people -everyone in the US, not just citizens, not just law-abiding, not just government agents, and not just one specific class of people.

To keep and bear arms-to own, possess, use, carry, acquire, develop, and build any and all kinds of weapons and armor/protective devices

Shall not be infringed- shall not be restricted, shall not be hindered, and shall not be destroyed.

Seems the 2A is pretty absolute here.

 

[nammac]

A well regulated militia-a militia as well equipped as any military in the world

Being necessary for the security of a free state- to protect national interests, towns, and people

The right of the people -everyone in the US, not just citizens, not just law-abiding, not just government agents, and not just one specific class of people.

To keep and bear arms-to own, possess, use, carry, acquire, develop, and build any and all kinds of weapons and armor/protective devices

Shall not be infringed- shall not be restricted, shall not be hindered, and shall not be destroyed.

Seems the 2A is pretty absolute here.

Think @CamoDeafie nailed it.

On plain language, us peons have the right to obtain and retain firearms, without restrictions as to type. Period.

Any and all arms, unrestricted. This making any laws restricting firearms in any way, shape or form, are thus unconstitutional.

The words say what the words say…

 

[Knobgoblin]

 

[1775usmc]

Think @CamoDeafie nailed it.

On plain language, us peons have the right to obtain and retain firearms, without restrictions as to type. Period.

Any and all arms, unrestricted. This making any laws restricting firearms in any way, shape or form, are thus unconstitutional.

The words say what the words say…

If only it worked that way…. Wouldn't that be nice.

 

[1775usmc]

A well regulated militia-a militia as well equipped as any military in the world

Being necessary for the security of a free state- to protect national interests, towns, and people

The right of the people -everyone in the US, not just citizens, not just law-abiding, not just government agents, and not just one specific class of people.

To keep and bear arms-to own, possess, use, carry, acquire, develop, and build any and all kinds of weapons and armor/protective devices

Shall not be infringed- shall not be restricted, shall not be hindered, and shall not be destroyed.

Seems the 2A is pretty absolute here.

I'll be the first to say I don't think illegal immigrants have any constitutional rights. But that's just me.