Treason at the Oregon State fair

[Duneblaster]

including the walk to and from their cars.

My take is public or private locations, if its open to the public then CHLs should be exempted from bans and options to bypass any checkpoints should be provided.

Because a CHL holder would never shoot up a crowd...? Read the 2nd Amendment again. Then rethink our society and where it's at right now and what the real problem is. This whole CHL thing is treasonous and not having a permit ain't the problem. Don't know about you but the more guns the merrier when it comes to being in a crowd. Only 25 to 30 CHL holders in a stadium of 1,000+ people.. You need enough guns there to be able to drop a shooter as quickly as possible.

 

[Joe13]

I don't go to venues that wand or go thru my stuff.

If you don't like it then don't give them your $$$.

No amount of anything is going to change their policy's so I say why bother.

A drastic drop in attendance would be the only thing that might change anything but even then you would have to make a big deal about it.

 

[gmerkt]

If you want to blame someone, blame the organizers of the fair.

The 2A isn't unconditional. Various venues, businesses, private property owners, can decide they don't want guns on their premises. It might be hysteria, or it might be liability issues. Or something else. So they might have a condition that you leave your gun at home in order to enter their place. It's the way it is.

 

[gunnoob75]

The 2A isn't unconditional. Various venues, businesses, private property owners, can decide they don't want guns on their premises. It might be hysteria, or it might be liability issues. Or something else. So they might have a condition that you leave your gun at home in order to enter their place. It's the way it is.

Maybe that's true.

But the right to self defense, given to us by nature itself, is unconditional. You have no obligation to be a victim, private property or otherwise. Even though the law may say otherwise.

 

[arakboss]

Fair goers can't really be safe until they stop and frisk everybody, all day, everywhere throughout the fair grounds.

 

[PiratePast40]

Three pages from people that weren't there and had nothing to do with the fair. @gunnoob75 posted that State Police let him through after he displayed his CHL, and yet comments persist.

How many of the complainers were manning the booths for any of the conservative causes? If the answer is none, it shows exactly why we're losing the battle. Better to be a keyboard commando than get off your butt and actually do something, like participate, I suppose. Starting a clickbait title thread should be reason for a warning from the mods in my opinion. OP never once said that he was carrying or had a CHL. He's obviously never been to a concert, air show, or any other large event in the last few decades, because it's SOP at these events.

 

[WackyDaffy]

Oregon State Police disarming citizens for their own safety on public property. Also rummaging through people's bags.

2A and 4A dead, but I'm sure "pro gun" people and groups will defend it anyway.

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Based on just what you stated it is impossible to say whether this was proper (or legal). Additionally, I cannot see how this could possibly be treated as Treason.

According to the United States Constitution, Article III, Section 3, "Treason against the United States, shall consist only in levying war against them, or in adhering to their enemies, giving them aid and comfort.

There are many situations where restricting people from bringing firearms is perfectly legal. I usually disagree that it should be illegal. The 2A, as far as I know, does not contain any wording about where it applies or where it does not

We must do everything possible to fight against these attacks on our rights and freedoms. Report this to places like the NRA's Institute for Legislative Affairs or the Oregon Firearms Federation and/or any of the pro-gun lobbies. Write to your state representatives. DO Something! We must work within the law to educate both our state and federal officials so that changes can be made. These idiots are SUPPOSED to work for US. So let's get on their case and make them work for us.

When we start screaming Treason it gives the pro-gun lobby, and just about everyone else for that matter, ammunition to dismiss our claims

 

[Knobgoblin]

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Karen got sum tiddies doe.

 

[Member 24198]

Karen got sum tiddies doe.

Why you looking at back bewbs?

 

[Knobgoblin]

Why you looking at back bewbs?

Nope, middle of the revenuers mob.
The one making eye contact.

She's a 4 , even age adjusted.

Would...

 

[Member 24198]

Nope, middle of the revenuers mob.
The one making eye contact.

She's a 4 , even age adjusted.

Would...

I thought you were looking at 3 o'clock.

 

[Knobgoblin]

I thought you were looking at 3 o'clock.

I seen em all , including the balding state employee with the face of future workplace imploder.

Dem 42 Ds with the mom jeans stole the show.

 

[BanjO0o]

Treason is disarming your own community and forcing them to be victims. Against better judgement, common sense, natural born rights or the US Constitution itself.

Yes, treason.

So keep your weapon on you and go home. What good are you going to do with a pistol while you're in a big crowd of people? I don't believe your right to bear arms is being encroached upon in such a situation, where common sense would tell you a firearm can't be safely wielded in self defense.

 

[Certaindeaf]

And by the way....whoever thinks this probably isn't an "err on the side of caution" move needs to go visit Minneapolis during the summer fairs there, then come back and tell me you don't want people checked before they go inside. A certain demographic is famous, unfortunately, for turning such fun places into warzones, pretty much throughout the country.

I don't go to fairs, but whenever I've been to such events in the past there were always numerous law enforcement personnel inside on foot patrol. And while I don't like being disarmed, I could survive a day without my Glock or J-frame as long as there is a serious LE presence ready to actually confront Jamal or JaMichael when he gets dissed by Tyrice because landwhale LaTisha got all drama and started a beef.

Pretty sure those state-sanctioned terrorists aren't legally able to carry a handgun.

 

[bradsteen]

So keep your weapon on you and go home. What good are you going to do with a pistol while you're in a big crowd of people? I don't believe your right to bear arms is being encroached upon in such a situation, where common sense would tell you a firearm can't be safely wielded in self defense.

Not being able to carry into the venue means you aren't able to carry on the way back to your car, which is when you're most likely to be assaulted. Personally I wish venues would offer secure storage options for people to lock up their firearms on the way in and reclaim them before they go home, but no venue will take on that kind of liability, so it's a moot point.

 

[Nick Burkhardt]

How is this different than, say, a Major League Baseball game where you are required to disarm, go through metal detectors, etc., in order to get in and watch the game? You're not even allowed to carry at them with a valid permit.

If you don't want to go through that, then you don't go to the game.

Or is a baseball game somehow different because it's essentially a private event on private property and the fair isn't because it's the "STATE" Fair? Is the State Fair truly a state government sponsored event or is it really a figurative and not literal name and it's really more of a private party thing? Do tax dollars support and fund the STATE Fair?

They use "contract law" to get around the state preemption. When you buy a ticket for entry from the private entity holding the event, such as MLB, you agree to the conditions on the back of the ticket such as no outside food, drink or firearms. The private contract for entry supercedes the CHL right to access state property.

 

[wired]

Not treason. Just an inconvenience.

"Whoever, owing allegiance to the United States, levies war against them or adheres to their enemies, giving them aid and comfort within the United States or elsewhere, is guilty of treason and shall suffer death, or imprisoned and fined, and incapable of holding any U.S. office."

 

[TTSX]

Not treason. Just an inconvenience.

"Whoever, owing allegiance to the United States, levies war against them or adheres to their enemies, giving them aid and comfort within the United States or elsewhere, is guilty of treason and shall suffer death, or imprisoned and fined, and incapable of holding any U.S. office."

People like to throw around big words they don't understand. For reasons.

 

[orygun]

Various venues, businesses, private property owners, can decide they don't want guns on their premises. It might be hysteria, or it might be liability issues. Or something else. So they might have a condition that you leave your gun at home in order to enter their place. It's the way it is.

This is how it was in the 80's with a pocket knife when going into one of the clubs downtown Portland. I never knew. I always carried a knife. I had to go back and put it in the car so I could get in.

 

[RVTECH]

But the right to self defense, given to us by nature itself, is unconditional

This is absolutely true but the 'right to self defense' does not include guns only as part of this 'right'.

Guns have certainly become the accepted 'common denominator' for this 'right' but in the event they cannot be carried you still have the 'right to self defense' with whatever means necessary