Do you guys ever listen to some of the complete BS people spout about hunting rifles and cartridges? It makes you wonder if they have ever actually gone out and done anything because no one with any real experience would say that stuff. I really think there is a "do nothing" crowd and there a surprising number of them working in gun stores. I was at a store today and a guy asked a guy behind the counter about which hunting cartridge to choose in his new rifle. Guy says, "the most popular hunting cartridges are the 308, 300 win mag and 338 win mag". I start laughing and dude looks at me dirty. I look at the customer and tell him to go look at the ammo counter and see what cartridges are the most represented and that should answer his question. I tell him I bet it will be 30-06, 270, 7mm Rem Mag. Customer comes back and says that my 3 outnumber the gun counter guys 3 by almost 3 to 1 and decides the 30-06 gives him the most options. Gun store clerk says, "the 308 is way more popular because of its military origin, accuracy potential and higher velocity". I laughed again. Clerk looks pissed again. I say first of all, the 30-06 was a military cartridge 50 years before 7.62x51/308 came around. As far as accuracy, I'll give him that one because on average its probably true and Im sure recoil tolerance has a bit to do with it, not just some magic design. And third, how does a case that is 12 millimeters (7.62x63) longer with more powder capacity, shooting the same bullet result in LESS velocity? Guy just looks at me like I'm stupid. I shake my head and walk away. Same kind of guy that can never answer the age old question, "how does it shoot?"