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Discussion in 'Rifle Discussion' started by Nwcid, Mar 16, 2014.

  1. Nwcid

    Nwcid Yakima and N of Spokane Well-Known Member

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    I think I have decided I need a T/C, with the first caliber in .22lr. I am looking for a rifle that is accurate, can have a threaded barrel and breaks down easy for carrying on my motorcycle. Here is a link to the thread that got this started, http://www.northwestfirearms.com/threads/take-down-22-non-semi-auto.165617/

    This lead me to looking at the T/C since it seems to fit what I am looking for. I am kinda confused about what is what. It appears that buying new I am looking at a G2 or a Pro Hunter. I do like the look of the Pro Hunter with the Flextech stocks and stainless finish. Are they the same thing with different furniture or are they completely different units? At some point I would like to use this as a "handgun" also so does that mean I have to buy a G2 first and build it up?

    I see lots of good reports of accuracy but since I need the barrel threaded I was thinking of going aftermarket. I read all kinds of mixed reviews on the aftermarket companies and it seems to depend on what year the question was asked. I have emailed EABCO as they look like they can set up and supply me with a complete unit. Has anyone ever dealt with them or any of the other aftermarket barrel/part makers?

    I plan on topping this barrel off with a 2-7x low profile scope of some kind.
     
  2. jluck

    jluck Really,Really, Close to Newport Oregon 97365 Voted #1 Member

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    I do believe the G2 and prohunter are interchangeable, but not with the original classic contender. The latest frame design (PH?) was beefed up to handle the big magnums. This is as I remember but not definitive.
     
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  3. The Heretic

    The Heretic Oregon Well-Known Member

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  4. Nwcid

    Nwcid Yakima and N of Spokane Well-Known Member

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    An SBR/SBS is an SBR/SBS no matter if it is a T/C or any other firearm. Those laws have been in place since 1934 and are very clear what is what.
     
  5. The Heretic

    The Heretic Oregon Well-Known Member

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    Yes, but...

    According to the SCOTUS you can put a rifle barrel and shoulder stock on the TC handgun frame without it becoming a stocked handgun. It then becomes a rifle.

    However, if you buy the very same frame as a rifle, then take the stock off, put handgun grips on it and put a short handgun barrel on it, this is an SBR and not a handgun.

    Exact same frames - just one was bought as a handgun and one was bought as a rifle.

    So, you are legal, i.e., do not make a SBR by converting a TC handgun frame to a rifle by first putting the 16" or longer barrel on it, then putting the shoulder stock on it. This will NOT be a handgun with a shoulder stock in that configuration - it will be a non-NFA rifle.

    If you then take the shoulder stock off, and the rifle barrel off, put on handgun grips and put a handgun barrel, it is a handgun again - not an SBR.

    Prior to the SCOTUS decision in http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_v._Thompson-Center_Arms_Company the ATF held that reassembling that frame as a handgun without a permit for an SBR violated the NFA in that "once a rifle, always a rifle" - even if you had converted from a handgun to a rifle, you could not then convert back to a handgun even though the frame started as a handgun.

    After the SCOTUS decision, you could convert back to a handgun - but ONLY if you started with a handgun frame. Doing so with a rifle frame made a SBR. Again, physically same frame, but one was sold as a handgun and another as a rifle.

    My point is, that if you want to convert back and forth without getting a tax stamp for a SBR, and stay out of prison, get a handgun frame.

    That said, you mentioned you have or will have a suppressor, so getting a permit for an SBR is no big deal to you, except for the cost of the tax stamp. Personally, I prefer not to have NFA firearms as I like to fly lower under the radar, and I prefer not to spend the money. I would like a suppressor, but not that much. YMMV
     
  6. Nwcid

    Nwcid Yakima and N of Spokane Well-Known Member

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    Correct. The point was this is no different then any other firearm. There are MANY guns that can easily be configured many ways and that law that dictates what they can be and when legally has been in place since 1934. This is nothing new or specific to the T/C. Do you own an AR-15 rifle and pistol, or maybe just a pistol lower but multiple uppers, SAME laws apply.
     
  7. jluck

    jluck Really,Really, Close to Newport Oregon 97365 Voted #1 Member

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  8. Redtazdog

    Redtazdog Washington in the sticks Active Member

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    I will leave this here for you to get more ideas
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  9. Nwcid

    Nwcid Yakima and N of Spokane Well-Known Member

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    Is that your .300 Whsiper?

    I still remember shooting this little gem,

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  10. Redtazdog

    Redtazdog Washington in the sticks Active Member

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    That integral is 22 lr but I do have a integral 300 too.
    That pistol is my 50 AK spitting 690 grn pills at 1600 fps
    I remember that day hitting 600 yrd targets with that pistol
     
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