Stock on a pistol

[thorborg]

No... I know that's not legal.
However I have a Stevens rimfire single shot originally called a pocket rifle. it clears the stupid red tape. I do not have the original stock for it but it has the dovetail base and a threaded screw hole on the grip to attach one if found. I never found one.
I cannot find out if I am allowed to make one for it or if that changes the C&R allowed aspects of it.
Also If allowed to make one must it be a exact replica?
Any Opine on the subject?

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[bcp]

Different one, same problem.

Savage Stevens Model 15-A Class III/NFA C&R Short Barreled Rifle

Savage Stevens Model 15-A Bolt Action Class III/NFA C&R Short Barreled Rifle NOTE: This weapon is a National Firearms Act (NFA), fully transferable Class 3, which is registered with the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives, (BATFE) that is classified as a "Curios or Relic" as...

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"NOTE: This weapon is a National Firearms Act (NFA), fully transferable Class 3, which is registered with the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives, (BATFE) that is classified as a "Curios or Relic" as defined in 27 CFR, 478.11. These weapons are still subject to the provisions of 18 U.S.C. Chapter 44 and 27 CFR part 479."

Bruce

 

[lucusloc]

My understanding is that any cartridge firearm that meets the definitions of the NFA is an NFA item. Age/type does not come into play.

 

[roseburger]

My understanding is that any cartridge firearm that meets the definitions of the NFA is an NFA item. Age/type does not come into play.

It has to be at least eighteen.

 

[TTSX]

It is to be at least eighteen.

What ..... What are you planning to do with that gun.....?

 

[roseburger]

What ..... What are you planning to do with that gun.....?

I'm going to stuff things down its front hole.

 

[lucusloc]

What ..... What are you planning to do with that gun.....?

That is probably not a safe question to ask. . .

 

[lucusloc]

I'm going to stuff things down its front hole.

There it is.

 

[bradsteen]

I'm going to stuff things down its front hole.

Hey man! This is a family place! Put your bore snake away.

 

[lucusloc]

Hey man! This is a family place! Put your bore snake away.

Sometimes I forget not everywhere is somewhere else. Some people should just have all their content automatically move to that somewhere else just to save the mods the hassle.

 

[Nosferatu]

What you build in the privacy of your own home is the business of no one.

 

[bradsteen]

What you build in the privacy of your own home is the business of no one.

As is what you cram in its front hole... But we're definitely gonna judge you for it.

 

[User 1234]

My understanding is that any cartridge firearm that meets the definitions of the NFA is an NFA item. Age/type does not come into play.

Some have been specifically exempted from NFA status by the ATF. Certain 14" barreled Winchester Trappers for example.

 

[lucusloc]

Some have been specifically exempted from NFA status by the ATF. Certain 14" barreled Winchester Trappers for example.

That is an interesting tidbit. I was not aware there were any exemptions. Is there a letter that covers the whole class, or is there a more general ruling that covers them?

 

[mpmax]

There are some curio & Relic stocked pistols.
And something more contemporary.

 

[monks]

No... I know that's not legal.
However I have a Stevens rimfire single shot originally called a pocket rifle. it clears the stupid red tape. I do not have the original stock for it but it has the dovetail base and a threaded screw hole on the grip to attach one if found. I never found one.
I cannot find out if I am allowed to make one for it or if that changes the C&R allowed aspects of it.
Also If allowed to make one must it be a exact replica?
Any Opine on the subject?
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As mentioned above some items are exempted. I'm not sure if yours is but I have a pistol that's on the c&r exempt list. Lugers, broom handles, and some hi powers are exempt. I have been told that a reproduction stock is a no go and not legal which makes perfect sense for this senseless law. There are repop stocks available for my pistol so you have to know what you're looking at and I doubt an average atf agent is going to be schooled up on identifying the real deal. With that said, proceed at your own risk. I'm not a lawyer, because my parents were married.

 

[lucusloc]

As mentioned above some items are exempted. I'm not sure if yours is but I have a pistol that's on the c&r exempt list. Lugers, broom handles, and some hi powers are exempt. I have been told that a reproduction stock is a no go and not legal which makes perfect sense for this senseless law. There are repop stocks available for my pistol so you have to know what you're looking at and I doubt an average atf agent is going to be schooled up on identifying the real deal. With that said, proceed at your own risk. I'm not a lawyer, because my parents were married.

Ah, so basically to be exempt it has to be on a list and all parts must be original? That seems like a pretty rare occurrence.

 

[monks]

Ah, so basically to be exempt it has to be on a list and all parts must be original? That seems like a pretty rare occurrence.

It's more common than you'd think actually. I think it's because back when pistol stocks were a thing auto loading pistols were the newest thing and very expensive. So if you had one, you would naturally take care of it. I've seen examples of all the common pistols with stocks at gun shows. The Chinese contract Inglis built hi power is about the cheapest way to play. There are fewer stocks than pistols and they double the value of the pistol but they're still reasonable. I'd think you could find one under 2k still.

 

[monks]

Here's some info I found in a quick search.

Federal Firearms Reference Guide ATF Publication 5300.4, published in September 2005, "If a person has a pistol and an attachable shoulder stock, does this constitute possession of an NFA firearm?" Answer, quoted from the Guide: "Yes, unless the barrel of the pistol is at least 16 inches in length (and the overall length of the firearm with stock attached is at least 26 inches). However, certain stocked handguns, such as original semiautomatic Mauser "Broomhandles" and Lugers, have been removed from the purview of the NFA as collectors' items." Then this, in the agency's Firearms Curio and Relics List ATF Publication 5300.11, from December 2007: "SECTION III: Weapons Removed From The NFA As Collector's Items And Classified As Curios Or Relics Under The GCA. The Bureau has determined that by reason of the date of their manufacture, value, design and other characteristics, the following firearms are primarily collector's items and are not likely to be used as weapons and, therefore, are excluded from the provisions of the National Firearms Act. Further, the Bureau has determined that such firearms are also curios or relics as defined in 27 CFR 478.11. Thus, licensed collectors may acquire, hold, or dispose of them as curios or relics subject to the provisions of 18 U.S.C. Chapter 44 and 27 CFR Part 478. They are still 'firearms' as defined in 18 U.S.C. Chapter 44."

 

[lucusloc]

Here's some info I found in a quick search.

Federal Firearms Reference Guide ATF Publication 5300.4, published in September 2005, "If a person has a pistol and an attachable shoulder stock, does this constitute possession of an NFA firearm?" Answer, quoted from the Guide: "Yes, unless the barrel of the pistol is at least 16 inches in length (and the overall length of the firearm with stock attached is at least 26 inches). However, certain stocked handguns, such as original semiautomatic Mauser "Broomhandles" and Lugers, have been removed from the purview of the NFA as collectors' items." Then this, in the agency's Firearms Curio and Relics List ATF Publication 5300.11, from December 2007: "SECTION III: Weapons Removed From The NFA As Collector's Items And Classified As Curios Or Relics Under The GCA. The Bureau has determined that by reason of the date of their manufacture, value, design and other characteristics, the following firearms are primarily collector's items and are not likely to be used as weapons and, therefore, are excluded from the provisions of the National Firearms Act. Further, the Bureau has determined that such firearms are also curios or relics as defined in 27 CFR 478.11. Thus, licensed collectors may acquire, hold, or dispose of them as curios or relics subject to the provisions of 18 U.S.C. Chapter 44 and 27 CFR Part 478. They are still 'firearms' as defined in 18 U.S.C. Chapter 44."

Lol, now lets adjudicate "arbitrary and capricious". . . but that is a whole other discussion.