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So, what happened in 1986?

Discussion in 'Legal & Political Archive' started by jfw, Apr 18, 2013.

  1. jfw

    jfw Clackamas county Active Member

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    All this gun control BS got me thinking about what happen with Full auto weapons NFA in 1986. I have been reading up on it and the other various firearm acts but the sources are not too indepth. I was but a mere child at this time so I dont know how it happened. Maybe some of members who were into shooting at this time might be able to enlighten me.

    A few questions that I have:

    Was it the same type of situation that is currently happening or was the ban piggybacked on something that seemed good and subsequently passed?

    What was the opinion of the public and Pro 2A organizations. What were your and other firearm enuthusiast thoughts at the time?

    Was there a problem with criminal activity and full auto firearms?

    What were Regans reasons for this Ban and his support of the assault weapons ban of 94?

    Were AR and AK full auto type rifles not popular at the time?

    Anything else you would like to share that may be relevent?
     
  2. civilian75

    civilian75 Hillsboro, OR Well-Known Member

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    I wasn't a gun owner back in the day (long story). So I am also interested.
     
  3. Nwcid

    Nwcid Yakima and N of Spokane Well-Known Member

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    I am in your situation.

    I can say without a doubt that there was not near the public "opinion" we have now. There was no internet so you read it in a magazine 3-6 weeks after things had been talked about. Now you literally know within minutes and can respond to the situation.
     
  4. jb11

    jb11 salem Active Member

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  5. Blitzkrieg

    Blitzkrieg WA Well-Known Member

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    I was there and it was a last minute trick at Christmas recess for Congress. Most members had gone home for the holiday but the antis stayed in enough numbers to ram it thru in an unrecorded "voice vote".. outright villany and treachery

    Reagan was a snake for signing the bill, even though it had a few good aspects, it also contained the Trojan Horse full auto manufacture and import ban. Reagan a true conservative? Bah. His witch Nancy was even worse
     
  6. 3MTA3

    3MTA3 DMZ between Liberty and Tyranny Behind Enemy Lines Bronze Supporter

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    I'll try my best to answer your questions.

    Was it the same type of situation that is currently happening or was the ban piggybacked on something that seemed good and subsequently passed?
    * For the life of me I can't remember anything specific. I remember it happening, because I bought my Class 3 at that time. It may have been an indirect result of the assassination attempt and the Brady campaign against guns. That Brady was a Republican was a real game changer.

    What was the opinion of the public and Pro 2A organizations. What were your and other firearm enuthusiast thoughts at the time?
    * The vast majority of gun owners did not know that they could purchase Class 3. We did not have the Internet then, so knowledge was by books, magazines, and word of mouth.

    Was there a problem with criminal activity and full auto firearms?
    * Nope, it's been noted that no legal full auto was used in a crime.

    What was Regans reasons for this Ban and his support of the assault weapons ban of 94?
    * Reagan was against the public having military style rifles, I believe even semi-auto.

    Were AR and AK auto type rifles not popular at the time?
    * VERY popular.

    Anything else you would like to share that may be relevent?
    * Just that in my experience you will periodically have to rise up to prevent gun control from taking your rights away. Most of the people involved have good intentions, but it is the path to tyranny.
     
  7. trainsktg

    trainsktg Portland OR Well-Known Member

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    Without Googling, the two big things I remember about the 1986 act was that it made illegal the private transfer and ownership of FA firearms manufactured after the ban date, and it rescinded the import ban on surplus military weapons (Mosins, Mausers, Enfields, etc) that was implemented by the 1968 act. Most people forget or don't know about about the latter. There were no military surplus rifles imported into the US between 1968 and 1986.

    The '68 act was a direct result of the Kennedy assassination. I'm not sure what the spark was for the '86 act; Hinkley used a .22 revolver.

    Keith
     
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  8. kumabear17

    kumabear17 Issaquah Active Member

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  9. trainsktg

    trainsktg Portland OR Well-Known Member

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    I don't remember Congress ever recessing for Christmas in April :rolleyes:

    Keith
     
  10. Mark W.

    Mark W. Silverton, OR Bronze Supporter Bronze Supporter

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    I would challenge the idea that AR and AK rifles were very popular in 1986. In fact they were one of the slowest selling things at the big gun shows in Portland from what I remember. I would see maybe 4-5 tables with more then one or two AR on them in a 1000 table gun show. And even fewer of the AK's most guys wouldn't even handle the AK's and the SKS's back then thinking them to be junk.

    Once the Word Ban hit the air waves in 94 that is when people started buying them up like crazy.

    I could be wrong but at that time I was a full time Knifemakera and attended the Portland and Salem guns shows every month or so.
     
  11. 3MTA3

    3MTA3 DMZ between Liberty and Tyranny Behind Enemy Lines Bronze Supporter

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    I was more into bolt action hunting rifles at the time, but my buddies were into AR's, AK's, SKS's, and drooled a lot over HK's. I bought the Class 3 because of the pending ban and got a decent deal. I figured it might be my last chance, so went for it. I think what you notice at a large gun show mostly is what you are looking for. I haven't been to one in over 20 years, so couldn't say as to what has changed since. BTW, with all the rifles including the class 3, my favorite by far is my Browning .22, what a pleasure to shoot!
     
  12. Blitzkrieg

    Blitzkrieg WA Well-Known Member

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  13. Mark W.

    Mark W. Silverton, OR Bronze Supporter Bronze Supporter

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    My comments weren't based on what I noticed at the shows it was from being at the shows for as much as 3 full days from setup to break down as a vendor at the show. I spent as much as 5 days a month on average at Gun shows. from 8am to 5pm a day. I have been attending gun shows pretty regular since at least 1968 when my dad started dragging me to them as a kid. I started my knifemaking business in 1983 and local gun shows were one of the first places I marketed my knives. So in the early years I was doing at least 2 shows a month trying to pay the bills.
     
  14. Diamondback

    Diamondback A cold, wet green Hell Well-Known Member

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    I seem to recall the Hughes Amendment was, possibly illegally and without quorum, passed by some dirty tricks by then-presiding-at-that-moment John Kerry. Like declaring a "NAY" voice-vote "The AYEs have it..."

    Hence, there should only ever be full roll-call votes, never voice-vote again. But then they'll bribe the clerk to misrecord as many as it takes...
     
  15. Blitzkrieg

    Blitzkrieg WA Well-Known Member

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    Revolution is the solution
     
  16. trainsktg

    trainsktg Portland OR Well-Known Member

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    "FOPA" ... Oh yes, NewSpeak indeed!

    I was just having some fun with you on the date thing. No doubt there are dozens of such last minute Christmas shenanigans over the last few decades, its understandable that they become easily confused :) .

    Keith
     
  17. thereddog

    thereddog State of Jefferson Active Member

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    I remember one hell of a gunfight between some dudes in California and a whole bunch of cops. The dudes had Ruger Mini14's and just shot the living hell out of the Police force. I know they are not full auto, but those dudes really raised hell. They also had flack jackets on and totally outgunned the Law. I think the dudes robbed a bank, Kind of unoriginal and practical.
     
  18. mjbskwim

    mjbskwim Salmon,Idaho Well-Known Member

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    Those were full auto AK 47s

    No wait ....couldn't be....those were illegal in CA. at the time

    :dunno:
     
  19. Stomper

    Stomper Oceania Rising White Is The New Brown Silver Supporter

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    In '86 I was slogging an M60 (and 600 rounds) throughout Latin America (can't say where, but it totaled 8 different countries), and I was slightly "distracted" with more pressing matters. Of course I was 19 at the time and during down time was WAY more interested in "guy stuff", like drinking hootch, chasing skirts, watching an episode of WWF on TV when we could... trying not to get shot, blown up, bitten by snakes/bugs, or fall out of the helo while flying knap of the earth through jungle covered mountainsides (with doors open) towards our insertion points.

    Other than feeding on (in general) anti-Soviet/commie news stories on CNN (the only game in town back then) aired on the AFN channel, I paid little to no attention to politics (domestic in particular). Ahhhh, those were the days... thank GAWD they're over. ;)
     
  20. trainsktg

    trainsktg Portland OR Well-Known Member

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    I believe you are thinking of the N. Hollywood Shootout. That was in 1997.
    North Hollywood shootout - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

    There was another significant event that lead to the 1989 ban, but as far as I know there was nothing to inspire the 1986 act.
    Cleveland School massacre - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

    Keith