Oregon Senate 243C and HB 3076 Commentary

[OneArgus]

I am 100% Pro Firearm. I CC everywhere and these laws would impact me personally.
I am going to ask Firearm owners to have and open mind here.

I think in many ways these laws get passed, because we are blatantly in everyone's face.
Its been 25 years of not on my watch, cold dead hands and yet here we are.
I don't open carry, for one reason. I do not want to trigger the people that own this state.
I could care less what they think, yet when I decide to give the big middle finger and strap a rifle and
go into the Salem Capital like two yahoos did 12 years ago. Well how well did all this play out?

I am not saying be passive and not vote for your rights. But I have spoken with Dem law makers
and they are honest in saying there would be no issues if gun owners didn't create them.
SB941 passed because people stepped up in defiance private of ending private sales. Making a point to do what they wanted.
Not doing what you wanted are you or I. And every law since then has been escalating.

I do realize that maybe some on this is the antis game plan. But I can't help remember those FFLs and Private buyers offsetting
the buy backs right in their face. Do we ever realize when you give the big middle finger when you have no power what will occur?
I fear my Grandkids will suffer because we did not act. And because we decided arrogance and the 2nd Amendment we the same.
Rights are to be blessed and handled with care. Because those in power know this gives you as a group more power then them.
In Oregon we pissed this away. My fear these laws pass that will be the end. Because once you limit where in public you can have your firearm?
Its over.

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[jayR]

Wow.. Interesting take on the situation.

 

[1775usmc]

Yea I carry where I want. Concealed.

My middle finger is silent and discreet.

 

[nwslopoke]

I think in many ways these laws get passed, because we are blatantly in everyone's face.
Its been 25 years of not on my watch, cold dead hands and yet here we are.
I don't open carry, for one reason. I do not want to trigger the people that own this state.
I could care less what they think, yet when I decide to give the big middle finger and strap a rifle and
go into the Salem Capital like two yahoos did 12 years ago. Well how well did all this play out?

I don't recall it this way. I came to Oregon not owning any firearms but being pretty 2A neutral.

How I interpret what, blatantly in everyone's face is what the Occupy Wallstreet, BLM and antifa crowds were doing, here in the PNW. The pro gun control groups have a super majority. Pro 2A groups are not the problem. It's a lack of numbers.

 

[CamoDeafie]

But I have spoken with Dem law makers
and they are honest in saying there would be no issues if gun owners didn't create them.

Yeah, gun owners created them by simply exercising their 2A right.

The not-anti2A Party lost majority of Oregon Legislature in 2005 and since then it's been a D majority in the Oregon Legislature. 20 years. After GW Bush allowed the AWB to sunset, what happened with Obama? Yup. Calls for new AWB, calls for more gun control, anti2A States pushing buttons, increased anti2A voters migrating to Portland Metro area, big money donating to anti2A efforts....

 

[nammac]

….. But I have spoken with Dem law makers
and they are honest in saying there would be no issues if gun owners didn't create them.

So, it's gun owners fault Democrats work every year to take away more and more of our second amendment rights?!?!?!?!?

I call total Toro Fecal Matter on this.

I shudder to think where we'd be over the last 20 years if we just rolled over and asked them to scratch our bellies.

Oregon, this is what you get for mail ordering your state government. Until that's done away with, republicans will never hold enough power to move the needle. Wasn't the past two years enough. Legislation passed to prevent legislators from using walkouts to prevent the democrat tyranny….

Drag queen dancing in the legislative chambers…

Smarten up Oregon!!!!

 

[ND55]

I am 100% Pro Firearm. I CC everywhere and these laws would impact me personally.
I am going to ask Firearm owners to have and open mind here.

I think in many ways these laws get passed, because we are blatantly in everyone's face.
Its been 25 years of not on my watch, cold dead hands and yet here we are.
I don't open carry, for one reason. I do not want to trigger the people that own this state.
I could care less what they think, yet when I decide to give the big middle finger and strap a rifle and
go into the Salem Capital like two yahoos did 12 years ago. Well how well did all this play out?

I am not saying be passive and not vote for your rights. But I have spoken with Dem law makers
and they are honest in saying there would be no issues if gun owners didn't create them.
SB941 passed because people stepped up in defiance private of ending private sales. Making a point to do what they wanted.
Not doing what you wanted are you or I. And every law since then has been escalating.

I do realize that maybe some on this is the antis game plan. But I can't help remember those FFLs and Private buyers offsetting
the buy backs right in their face. Do we ever realize when you give the big middle finger when you have no power what will occur?
I fear my Grandkids will suffer because we did not act. And because we decided arrogance and the 2nd Amendment we the same.
Rights are to be blessed and handled with care. Because those in power know this gives you as a group more power then them.
In Oregon we pissed this away. My fear these laws pass that will be the end. Because once you limit where in public you can have your firearm?
Its over.

Oregon's obsession with more firearm restrictions is a simple power play. Democrats and a few "moderate" Republicans will sell out our firearm (2nd Amendment) rights whenever they get the chance. It's their way to put their boot on our throats and limit our natural rights. It has nothing to do with reducing crime or death by firearms.
If they wanted to reduce violent crime and deaths by firearms - they should profile the criminals. The FBI has all the records. I have not researched this - but have a hunch most Oregon violent crime occurs in urban areas (Portland) by males between 15-35 age. Many are affiliated with gangs. Crack down hard on the criminals and leave the rest of us (who work, obey laws and pay the taxes) alone.

 

[ZA_Survivalist]

I don't recall it this way. I came to Oregon not owning any firearms but being pretty 2A neutral.

How I interpret what, blatantly in everyone's face is what the Occupy Wallstreet, BLM and antifa crowds were doing, here in the PNW. The pro gun control groups have a super majority. Pro 2A groups are not the problem. It's a lack of numbers.

And massive amounts of fraud with our ballot system.
As for the OP, I get that's your take.. but I greatly disagree. This was never a poking the bear issue.. that's just a justification for the blatant contempt dems and folks involved with anti gun organizations in this state have for 2A supporters. You can make up any view on why laws got passed and blame gun owners.. it ain't us. It's them, it's always the crime ridden areas we all know need MORE law enforcement presence yet get none because they (politicians in various counties) are too busy hiring new motorcycle cops to extort people driving to and from work.. the mechanization of law enforcement as a lucrative revenue stream is all too real. Those pulling the strings don't at all want to stop crime.. they want political theater and money.

They (politicians) ignore solutions to real problems in order to pass for freedom stripping laws, increase our taxes..etc

The private sales thing wasn't at all passed due to gun buy backs.. it was passed because it creates a backdoor registry and a timeline of firearm purchases. This essentially starts the process of a registry without actually creating one.. but the data is there.. it also aids in throttling when/how and where people can buy firearms while doing NOTHING to establish fair or affordable transfer services. Some areas actually demanded $100 for a transfer fee.. that's insane. Claim free market all you want.. the law created chaos and price spikes purposely to diminish transfer sales done through FFL's.
It's also a widely discriminatory law, primarily towards people of a lower income level.. it's just more bureaucratic red tape and cost individuals have to put up with in order to engage in something they have a constitutional right of.. and any new laws and taxes piled onto what we currently have simply increases this cost.. they place personal defense, recreational shooting and hunting further and further away for the low income individual.. whom by the way are some of the most at risk for crimes committed against them if you follow the same data anti gun folks love to pop off about.


Pertaining to the laws, they'll always ram this stuff through with claims that it'll curb crime.. but it never does. Not one bit.. So it's this never ending: "well, we need to pass this NEW law because clearly the last law didn't work and of course instead of getting rid of that law let's make more laws and instead of blaming those politicians and organizations that promised the last round of laws would work let's sweep it all under the rug because society has a five minute memory", schtick...
it never ends. There is no justification. It's not at all gun owners faults. We ALL vote. No one in this state just stayed home with 114. I saw more signs and heard more people talking about it than I ever have.. and when you look at the voting map.. there truly should have been no way it passed.. there was a highlighted section showing it was the big cities in our state.. and I'm sure if we had receipts for every single ballot and proofed them.. you'd see there was fraud. We are in a rigged game in this state.

As for talking to Dem Law makers blaming gun owners.. HA.. I'd LOVE to hear the twisted logic from those dems mouths on just why these proposed and failed laws, extortion fees and blatant harassment against gun owners is magically our fault.
Tell us just how us buying items and properly storing/using them makes us all to blame for the worlds problems..
Meanwhile BLM, Antifa and all the other radical loons can burn and loot in our cities while cops are told to stand down to ensure the chaos lasts longer.. tell me how cops purposely NOT put on rotation in key crime ridden areas is our fault? Tell me how this catch and release nonsense within our judicial system where criminals are caught and simply set free to offend again is our fault?

234C and HB3076 will accomplish NOTHING to stop crime. NOTHING. And they know this.. it's just a slowly tightening noose on the necks of FFLs and Oregonians.

 

[nammac]

And massive amounts of fraud with our ballot system.

Ding, ding, ding…..

We have a winner!!!!!

 

[ND55]

So, it's gun owners fault Democrats work every year to take away more and more of our second amendment rights?!?!?!?!?

I call total Toro Fecal Matter on this.

I shudder to think where we'd be over the last 20 years if we just rolled over and asked them to scratch our bellies.

Oregon, this is what you get for mail ordering your state government. Until that's done away with, republicans will never hold enough power to move the needle. Wasn't the past two years enough. Legislation passed to prevent legislators from using walkouts to prevent the democrat tyranny….

Drag queen dancing in the legislative chambers…

Smarten up Oregon!!!!

Agree. Vote by mail is part of the problem in Oregon. Another is the low IQ of many Oregonians - who stand by and do nothing to fight the Democrat's agenda.

 

[P7M13]

Dude, you went from drinking the Kool-aid to snorting the powder directly.
We did not bring this upon ourselves. Hundreds of thousands of liberal/leftist out-staters moving in, and well funded, well organized anti-2A NGOs helped, drafting legislation for liberal state legislators who otherwise could not find their arse if it wasn't attached to them.
I moved to Oregon in '90. Back then I was a leftist, with a negative attitude towards guns, but knowing that liberties make this nation great. Over the years, I watched and heard all the lies and the concentrated effort to ban guns and transmogrify gun owners into bad people.

 

[arakboss]

"But I have spoken with Dem law makers
and they are honest in saying there would be no issues if gun owners didn't create them."

Those Dem law makers lied.

 

[Stomper]

"But I have spoken with Dem law makers
and they are honest in saying there would be no issues if gun owners didn't create them."

Those Dem law makers lied.

Yeah, that was an oxymoron, for sure.



Anyone remember (former) Oregon senator Ginny Burdick, or Penny Okamoto, or Oregon senator Flyod Prozanski?

 

[Camelfilter]

I am 100% Pro Firearm. I CC everywhere and these laws would impact me personally.
I am going to ask Firearm owners to have and open mind here.

I think in many ways these laws get passed, because we are blatantly in everyone's face.
Its been 25 years of not on my watch, cold dead hands and yet here we are.
I don't open carry, for one reason. I do not want to trigger the people that own this state.
I could care less what they think, yet when I decide to give the big middle finger and strap a rifle and
go into the Salem Capital like two yahoos did 12 years ago. Well how well did all this play out?

I am not saying be passive and not vote for your rights. But I have spoken with Dem law makers
and they are honest in saying there would be no issues if gun owners didn't create them.
SB941 passed because people stepped up in defiance private of ending private sales. Making a point to do what they wanted.
Not doing what you wanted are you or I. And every law since then has been escalating.

I do realize that maybe some on this is the antis game plan. But I can't help remember those FFLs and Private buyers offsetting
the buy backs right in their face. Do we ever realize when you give the big middle finger when you have no power what will occur?
I fear my Grandkids will suffer because we did not act. And because we decided arrogance and the 2nd Amendment we the same.
Rights are to be blessed and handled with care. Because those in power know this gives you as a group more power then them.
In Oregon we pissed this away. My fear these laws pass that will be the end. Because once you limit where in public you can have your firearm?
Its over.

Nope.

Not one bit in response to anything anyone did.

Simply put: anti-2A is just power & control.

There was already plenty of laws on the books which criminals simply skate around/from.

If there was any truth to the anti-2A crowd, the politicians would have been pressured to have the judicial branch enforce those laws. All along.

But, it's a revolving door for criminals.

Not so for your everyday previously law abiding folks…

Edit: adding I believe it's a type of an Overton window. Creating laws against the law abiding, while being lax with true criminality. Incrementally Creating an unlivable / unsafe environment where government may then swoop in harshly with ever increasing powers and control….

 

[P7M13]

I believe it's a type of an Overton window. Creating laws against the law abiding, while being lax with true criminality. Incrementally Creating an unlivable / unsafe environment where government may then swoop in harshly with ever increasing powers and control….

That is a solid logical explanation for why, but my experience with a few anti-gun zealots over the years showed me that their core belief and long game goal is that no one should have guns.
I'm also sure there are power hungry m-f'ers who are compelled by their need for control.

 

[Camelfilter]

That is a solid logical explanation for why, but my experience with a few anti-gun zealots over the years showed me that their core belief and long game goal is that no one should have guns.
I'm also sure there are power hungry m-f'ers who are compelled by their need for control.

Oh no doubt that there are A FEW true anti-gun zealots! Then there are the simpletons whom just go along with whatever they are told as being "truths", without any knowledge nor forethought (akin to taking a "party line").

However the industry (funding, propaganda etc) behind the anti-2A movement is what I consider truly insidious. Not the simpleton voters. Because, well they're really not intelligent enough to bother thinking for themselves. Unfortunately they vote, and they vote "how they're told"...

In my view we would be far better off as a society if anyone whom wanted to own & carry firearms, could own & carry firearms. AND do so anywhere they wished. INCLUDING convicted felons whom had served their sentence. -If a convicted person can't be trusted, then they shouldn't be in society...

Such a thought process as my view would have developed our society into something completely different than the utter mess we currently have. If instituted from the start of our Great Nation. However, due to many unconstitutional restrictions, policies, rules, regulations, and laws...here we are. "For the children..." my bubblegum!

 

[ND55]

Yeah, that was an oxymoron, for sure.



Anyone remember (former) Oregon senator Ginny Burdick, or Penny Okamoto, or Oregon senator Flyod Prozanski?

I remember gun shows before wacko Democrat Ginny Burdick pushed mandatory background checks on private firearm sales. Back in the those days (early 1990's) there would be 1,000 tables at the Expo in Portland x 15 + guns per table. Plus a million rounds of ammo or more. No crime, no shootings, no violence. Everyone was polite & friendly.

 

[Aero Denezol]

We didn't do anything to "provoke" lawmakers anymore than someone provokes their spouse to hit them.

IMO when the timber industry was neutered the balance of political power shifted towards Portland and that's when all the anti-2A BS got legs. Look at who was running the State before and after and tell me there isn't a trend. I think this was a calculated attack on the middle class in rural communities . They are trying to do this in other states too.

 

[P7M13]

Oh no doubt that there are A FEW true anti-gun zealots! Then there are the simpletons whom just go along with whatever they are told as being "truths", without any knowledge nor forethought (akin to taking a "party line").

However the industry (funding, propaganda etc) behind the anti-2A movement is what I consider truly insidious. Not the simpleton voters. Because, well they're really not intelligent enough to bother thinking for themselves. Unfortunately they vote, and they vote "how they're told"...

In my view we would be far better off as a society if anyone whom wanted to own & carry firearms, could own & carry firearms. AND do so anywhere they wished. INCLUDING convicted felons whom had served their sentence. -If a convicted person can't be trusted, then they shouldn't be in society...

Such a thought process as my view would have developed our society into something completely different than the utter mess we currently have. If instituted from the start of our Great Nation. However, due to many unconstitutional restrictions, policies, rules, regulations, and laws...here we are. "For the children..." my bubblegum!

Need a 100% button in the "like" choices.

 

[nwslopoke]

Gun control is a myth that makes it too easy for the antis to claim victory. Dec 2023 or that following Jan, there was a shooting at a college in Czech Republic a few days after we got back from our trip. It was very close to our hotel. Just now leaving Portugal, our Uber driver said there had been a shooting next to his job the night before. Excluding the uptick in terror events we hear about more and more shootings across Europe. It's the mecca of gun control. Granting they have fewer shootings, their strict laws don't eliminate them. That doesn't account other ares of violence they do suffer from.

In their airports and train stations, there is a significant armed police presence, that's still window dressing over personal protection. I believe that I am equally safe at my home here as anywhere in Europe, even more than say Paris or parts of Frankfurt, I still enjoy being able to carry (about to renew my 4th permit) because it's a right. It not a hard concept, especially in view of the latest bleating of how law abiding illegal migrants are based on the numbers. CC holders are even more safe. So where's the argument for that?