Self-driving cars don't do snow

[Croat]

Snow isn't the problem so much as ice. I tried a test once during a severe freezing rain event a few years ago when we had four cars.
-- Nissan Maxima got around okay. I'd give it a grade of C+
-- Nissan Pathfinder 4WD was a disaster, skidding everywhere. Grade that one an F
-- Toyota T100 Pickup (2WD) was also bad, but not as bad as the Pathfinder. Give it a D
-- Easily the best of the bunch, perhaps oddly, was an AWD Dodge Caravan, both for braking and traction. At least an A- if not flat A

 

[LoganLittle77]

Autonomous vehicles are gaining popularity in drier climates, but struggle with knowing when to brake in snowy, icy conditions

https://www.wsj.com/articles/self-driving-cars-dont-do-snow-goodyear-says-the-solution-is-smarter-tires-6ccf0e85?st=JKPKmw&reflink=desktopwebshare_permalink

Anything to keep the charging stations out of central & eastern Washington

 

[P7M13]

pump the brakes is a loaded phrase. few people know how to do it right
winter driving is an art, needs to be practiced regularly.
in snow country the first snow storm is the most dangerous, everybody needs to relearn the skills from last season.

I liked the first few winter storms in the Midwest - Darwin took out the ones who had no idea how to drive.

 

[ilikegunspdx]

Aren't self driving cars just something to push around/and or ram with big trucks? Get that push bar installed today!

 

[ilikegunspdx]

Self parking Tesla gives up and drives away without owner.

View: https://youtu.be/Ih3WfU1mDi0?si=HA8XPWonj_RoXXYs

 

[Bolt_308]

Self parking Tesla gives up and drives away without owner.

View: https://youtu.be/Ih3WfU1mDi0?si=HA8XPWonj_RoXXYs

Lets all be honest here- she looks like she might be a WEEEEE bit high maintenance- If i were that car i think I would try to run away as fast as I could too . . .so maybe it is a REALLY Smart Car?

 

[Mikej]

Self parking Tesla gives up and drives away without owner.

View: https://youtu.be/Ih3WfU1mDi0?si=HA8XPWonj_RoXXYs

Now THAT'S funny! And I don't care WHO Y'ar!
Unless, it went 4 blocks and ran through a school crossing full of kids. Nah, that could never happen.

 

[ilikegunspdx]

Waymo f ups

View: https://youtu.be/7W-VneUv8Gk?si=FwpgBa6kV1PfGaKz

View: https://youtu.be/kN0MLclnWa0?si=HcbpEhsFsA56aen9

View: https://youtu.be/-Rxvl3INKSg?si=coIGjdXmQ9Ex855a

View: https://youtube.com/shorts/0LgSVre4tSU?si=XzLEhgsHjJCcT8dm

 

[Mikej]

Waymo f ups

View: https://youtu.be/7W-VneUv8Gk?si=FwpgBa6kV1PfGaKz

View: https://youtu.be/kN0MLclnWa0?si=HcbpEhsFsA56aen9

View: https://youtu.be/-Rxvl3INKSg?si=coIGjdXmQ9Ex855a

View: https://youtube.com/shorts/0LgSVre4tSU?si=XzLEhgsHjJCcT8dm

Hmmm? I wonder how that could happen?

I go it. There should be, like "Zoo's", where these kinds of people and machines could live. Behind a BIG Solid WALL! Yeah, yeah, that's it! So normal/sane people could live in peace without that crap in our world. As far as we knew anyway.

 

[ilikegunspdx]

Hmmm? I wonder how that could happen?

I go it. There should be, like "Zoo's", where these kinds of people and machines could live. Behind a BIG Solid WALL! Yeah, yeah, that's it! So normal/sane people could live in peace without that crap in our world. As far as we knew anyway.

Someday someone will train dogs to herd them. Maybe like onto a drawbridge. Right before it opens.

 

[ilikegunspdx]

Looks like a lot of them stop for no reason. This one cause a a big pileup.

View: https://youtu.be/91HzWPEjiCg?si=7tWMJ_Zzug3w1vU8

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[Bolt_308]

Looks like a lot of them stop for no reason. This one cause a a big pileup.

View: https://youtu.be/91HzWPEjiCg?si=7tWMJ_Zzug3w1vU8

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So as you may know, I have a Tesla Model 3. The only time the car would come to a complete stop like that is if the driver was not paying attention. The autopilot/self driving in these cars requires the driver to remain alert and prepared to take over at any moment. It does this by sensing if you are holding on to the steering wheel, and monitoring eye movement if you allow it(you can turn that on or off). If you stop paying attention, fall asleep, or have a medical emergency, the car starts beeping and flashing to alert you. Then if you dont take control by a certain amount of time, it will slow and stop. I have also had mine start to brake when something was in front or just to the side of me (like a bicyclist) - it lasts just a second, does not come to a complete stop, and you quickly just correct it and keep going.

Seeing that video where it came to a complete stop, I GUARANTEE you that was the driver not paying attention. Had he been- all he had to do was press the gas to keep it going. Driver is 100% at fault on that one.

Also interesting, all the cars rear ending each other- dont they teach you that if you rear end someone, it is the fault of the person rear-ending you, not the fault of the car in front? That you should have left enough space between to slow/stop? If this had been a 'regular' gas car, guaranteed that would have been the outcome, regardless as to the reason why the car stopped. You are responsible for leaving enough space in front of you, and if you tailgate and dont leave enough space and rear end someone, you are at fault, not the other driver. . .

 

[Jim Horn]

Somewhat related - the adaptive cruise control of our '22 MDX will keep a selectable distance from the vehicle ahead of it, including stopping in stop-and-go traffic when needed. Also, like most recent cars, if it stops for more than a short time the engine shuts down "to save gas", restarting when the throttle is asserted. The owner's manual points out that if the MDX does stop in traffic and the engine shuts down, *NOT* to leave the car as the traffic might start to move again while out of the car but it would restart and drive away without you. Surprise! Interesting that while it monitors the driver for alertness, it's not alert enough to notice the driver being missing...

 

[Mikej]

Someday someone will train dogs to herd them. Maybe like onto a drawbridge. Right before it opens.

We can wish, huh?

 

[Mikej]

So as you may know, I have a Tesla Model 3. The only time the car would come to a complete stop like that is if the driver was not paying attention. The autopilot/self driving in these cars requires the driver to remain alert and prepared to take over at any moment. It does this by sensing if you are holding on to the steering wheel, and monitoring eye movement if you allow it(you can turn that on or off). If you stop paying attention, fall asleep, or have a medical emergency, the car starts beeping and flashing to alert you. Then if you dont take control by a certain amount of time, it will slow and stop. I have also had mine start to brake when something was in front or just to the side of me (like a bicyclist) - it lasts just a second, does not come to a complete stop, and you quickly just correct it and keep going.

Seeing that video where it came to a complete stop, I GUARANTEE you that was the driver not paying attention. Had he been- all he had to do was press the gas to keep it going. Driver is 100% at fault on that one.

Also interesting, all the cars rear ending each other- dont they teach you that if you rear end someone, it is the fault of the person rear-ending you, not the fault of the car in front? That you should have left enough space between to slow/stop? If this had been a 'regular' gas car, guaranteed that would have been the outcome, regardless as to the reason why the car stopped. You are responsible for leaving enough space in front of you, and if you tailgate and dont leave enough space and rear end someone, you are at fault, not the other driver. . .

My '24 Honda HR-v tells me, flashing on the instrument panel, when steering is required! And and, it says "BRAKE", when it wants me to brake. So I've got that going for me! Probably makes ME a cut above a LOT of potland drivers.
But I prefer to watch the road instead of the instrument panel. Does that make me a bad person?

 

[gmerkt]

That you should have left enough space between to slow/stop?

This concept just isn't in most drivers today. Because it works against the principle of "being ahead."

If you are one of the few rational drivers remaining and you leave a proper interval, other drivers will quickly fill it. Taken to an extreme, you could wind up going in reverse.

 

[Mikej]

Somewhat related - the adaptive cruise control of our '22 MDX will keep a selectable distance from the vehicle ahead of it, including stopping in stop-and-go traffic when needed. Also, like most recent cars, if it stops for more than a short time the engine shuts down "to save gas", restarting when the throttle is asserted. The owner's manual points out that if the MDX does stop in traffic and the engine shuts down, *NOT* to leave the car as the traffic might start to move again while out of the car but it would restart and drive away without you. Surprise! Interesting that while it monitors the driver for alertness, it's not alert enough to notice the driver being missing...

I drive my cars. They don't drive me. ^^^^ And this crap! I don't get it. If ya' can't drive/don't want to drive, stay the hell out of vehicles without someone at the wheel/controls.

 

[Mark W.]

You want excitement in your driving try a 81" wheel base 4000lb 5ft wide Willys jeep at 70mph with very tight manual Saginaw steering. Oh and throw in some serious top heavy balance.

Its like driving a race car you have to be bear laser focused on the task at hand.

 

[Mikej]

You want excitement in your driving try a 81" wheel base 4000lb 5ft wide Willys jeep at 70mph

Uh, no thanks! But I'd absolutely run some narrow Jeep trails up in the forest with it!

 

[ilikegunspdx]

You want excitement in your driving try a 81" wheel base 4000lb 5ft wide Willys jeep at 70mph with very tight manual Saginaw steering. Oh and throw in some serious top heavy balance.

It's like driving a race car you have to be bear laser focused on the task at hand.

Sister in law's bro died from a cj5 that overturned at speed on a corner. I'll spare the gruesome details. Seat belt was on. Had a cj7 (304 v8) and it was much more stable. I was still cautious with it though. I remember that sloppy bubblegum steering.