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I often say this because for now it's all we have. The problems in this state like this idiot mayor are voters. WAY too many who hate what is done refuse to help. Many of them when there is a far better person running go out of their way to help that person lose. The reason is always they are not good enough. So they help the worst one win. We have had a couple really bad Governors this way. When I 1639 went in a lot of gun owners had no clue it happened. When we tried to put it on the ballot to take it back we could not even get enough gun owners to sign. The problem is far from being outnumbered. The problem is freedom loving people who will not lift a finger to keep freedom. Hard to put much hope in those who will not even vote actually doing anything to fight.


My take , voting in Seattle would be almost pointless considering the makeup of the city government. After moving to Oregon I went to Seattle and much to my surprise the city had a statue of Lenin. So I read the story of how it got there. My heart sank heavy when I learned that something I spent a large chunk of my life fighting against and trying to protect America from now was firmly planted in an American city. It is sad to me and makes me weep to think that millions of people around the world were tearing down monuments and rejecting marxism , the Czechs refused to take statue and yet some useful idiots wanted not only to save it but erect it prominently in a public space.

Portland is running a close second considering how the city is governed. Thes events of these recent times should well enlighten those whose eyes were previously shrouded in ignorance the dangers of progressivsm .

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These scum bag local polititions are above and beyond any law. They do as they please and never suffer the consequences.
It will never stop while there are masses of sheeple that vote them in.
They even have the liberal courts in their favor.

It will take some good people with balls bigger then most to stop this unjustice.
 
Well, well.....at least now we all know, who's to blame for the riot(s) in Seattle (if not many other cities).

Seattle Mayor Blames 'White Men' for 'Co-opting' George Floyd Protests

Aloha, Mark

They are floating a tactical wannabee poser group all over social media called "Boogaloo Bois" which in turn is a spinoff of the tactical wannabee posers on a gun subforum at 4Chan. So, basically six guys beating off to gun pictures and tactical gear in their Mom's basement. Can't have AntiFa and associated anarchy groupd held accountable for their actions.

And then there is this:
 
These scum bag local polititions are above and beyond any law. They do as they please and never suffer the consequences.
It will never stop while there are masses of sheeple that vote them in.
They even have the liberal courts in their favor.

It will take some good people with balls bigger then most to stop this unjustice.
Yep. The courts are a direct result of the people put in power. Seattle is a great example of it. Many who live where homeless scum have taken over see their property value drop. Since who wants to buy a place with scum living all around. The local law makers and Judges protect the scum. Talk to many of these home owners and they blame people who are not in power there and continue to vote for the same people who hosed them. It's the old line people get the Government they deserve :mad:
 
Well there you go, just give up. You sadly are FAR from alone among people who love freedom. They tell anyone who will listen to do nothing but give up. Then of course they get mad when the people they help win do what they do. :s0054:

I know what you are saying , and I say to you how do you get someone elected who isn't a socialist ? Clearly they have galvanized their support in overwhelming numbers. A tactical withdrawal is not a surrender. I will be leaving the Pacfic Northwest before the end of the year , I have seen the tea leaves and it's not looking good.
 
For any organizational spokesperson/media representative that an arrested looter may claim (or actually) to be a part of......just remember, to stick to the mantra.

Disclaimer: The individual actions or in-actions by individual members of the ____fill in the blank_______ does NOT necessarily reflect the values of.....la, la, la....

Aloha, Mark

PS.....I guess the same could be said for membership in a Political Party. THAT, could/would explain a lot.
 
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I think you guys are missing some key words in the order



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The order also cites as its authority SMC 10.02.020 which permits her to issue: "An order prohibiting the carrying or possession of a firearm or any instrument which is capable of producing bodily harm AND which is carried or possessed with intent to use the same to cause such harm, provided that any such order shall not apply to peace officers or military personnel engaged in the performance of their official duties".

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From the Seattle Times (May 31, 2020):

"Near Sixth Avenue and Pine Street, a man who gave his name as Steve stood guard outside an apartment building with an aluminum baseball bat and a handgun. 'It's anarchy,' he said.

"By then, Durkan had issued an emergency order banning all weapons, including firearms, in central Seattle. But it remained unclear Sunday how the order was being enforced.

" 'I think people are going to be standing in line to file a legal challenge to this,' said Dave Workman, spokesman for the Bellevue-based Second Amendment Foundation.

"The Durkan administration said the ban was written to provide officers with discretion to confiscate any weapon as necessary."
 
While it took 10 years to convict and imprison Nagin, the DRPPA was passed just over a year after the hurricane. Not a long time coming when you think of legislation timelines in the US...

Well, I wasn't talking about DRPPA. I was responding to your statement that "Ray Nagin's little red wagon got fixed after Katrina." I should have also pointed out that, as far as I know, he was never held accountable for his role in the confiscation of hundreds of firearms from law-abiding citizens. He faced no criminal charges, paid no civil penalties, and the taxpayers paid all his legal bills. He went to prison on corruption charges unrelated to the gun confiscation and he even joined Bloomberg's Mayors Against Illegal Guns Coalition after Katrina.

In any case, DRPPA is a poorly written paper tiger that has not stopped the mayor from prohibiting weapons in the central core of Seattle. If the SPD does arrest any law-abiding firearms owners under the Civil Emergency Order the City of Seattle I hope they will cease and desist when someone brings up DRPPA but I wouldn't count on it and I would not be surprised if the federal judges in 9th Circuit don't side with Durkan. As far as I know there's no case law on DRRPA.

Hopefully, no law-abiding person will have their guns confiscated under the order. Even so it's revealing that the mayor, with the implicit support of the City Attorney's office, would adopt such a blatantly stupid, unethical, unconstitutional, and illegal measure.
 
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You are missing the point of what I posted and you quoted...
The point being..
Banning anything is useless...
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Do something about the folks running amok and leave those who ain't causing a problem alone.
Andy

Your point is false. There are a whole lot of government uses for banning things. For example, the war on drugs helped build up a giant, expensive, and repressive police-judicial-prison industrial complex that has utterly failed to eliminate illicit drugs. Lots of politicians built their careers on Prohibition II. So, it's not useless at all.

Are bans often detrimental to most of the populace and usually futile in terms of achieving their stated goals? Sure, but they're only useless to those fall for the nonsense that they are about keeping people safe, etc.

Durkan's ban has its uses, to be sure. It placates her gun-grabbing allies for one thing and if a Patriot Prayer member or some other disfavored person has their gun confiscated well that will be red meat to the Left, too. Even an attempted confiscation that ends up in a shootout might be useful, too, to an ambitious politician.

You wrote, "Do something about the folks running amok and leave those who ain't causing a problem alone." I agree completely.
 
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I think you guys are missing some key words in the order

The order also cites as its authority SMC 10.02.020 which permits her to issue: "An order prohibiting the carrying or possession of a firearm or any instrument which is capable of producing bodily harm AND which is carried or possessed with intent to use the same to cause such harm, provided that any such order shall not apply to peace officers or military personnel engaged in the performance of their official duties".

Those words are not in the order and no one but you ever indicated they were.

In any case, I do my best to stay away from rioters. However, if a rioter, robber, etc. comes to me then you can rest assured I have every intent to cause bodily harm with weapons I may possess to anyone who poses an imminent threat of death or serious bodily injury to myself or those I am protecting. I don't live or work in Durkan's 2A-suspension zone (although I've passed through it several times since the order was signed) but if I did then I would not rid myself of any weapons I may possess to comply with her order.
 
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Well, I wasn't talking about DRPPA. I was responding to your statement that "Ray Nagin's little red wagon got fixed after Katrina." I should have also pointed out that, as far as I know, he was never held accountable for his role in the confiscation of hundreds of firearms from law-abiding citizens. He faced no criminal charges, paid no civil penalties, and the taxpayers paid all his legal bills. He went to prison on corruption charges unrelated to the gun confiscation and he even joined Bloomberg's Mayors Against Illegal Guns Coalition after Katrina.
Well, I was. Ray Nagin's "little red wagon" in my context was his gun confiscation order and the resulting DRPPA. How did you not get that from this context?
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Ray Nagin's little red wagon got fixed after Katrina. That game now has federal law against it, in addition to the Constitution (as if the Constitution needed that, but it seems that it does)... DRPPA 2006
The "little red wagon" and "that game" are one and the same in my context, and DRPPA is further law against it (gun confiscation during emergencies). And I know that he never served a day nor paid a cent for that egregious violation of the Constitutional rights of hundreds of people. And I also know that he went to prison for corruption, too. And I also know that he's one of many of Bloomberg's bishes. You're not telling my anything I don't already know.

In any case, DRPPA is a poorly written paper tiger that has not stopped the mayor from prohibiting weapons in the central core of Seattle. If the SPD does arrest any law-abiding firearms owners under the Civil Emergency Order the City of Seattle I hope they will cease and desist when someone brings up DRPPA but I wouldn't count on it and I would not be surprised if the federal judges in 9th Circuit don't side with Durkan. As far as I know there's no case law on DRRPA.
Again, nothing that I don't already know.

Hopefully, no law-abiding person will have their guns confiscated under the order. Even so it's revealing that the mayor, with the implicit support of the City Attorney's office, would adopt such a blatantly stupid, unethical, unconstitutional, and illegal measure.
Agreed. Stupidity at an astounding level of haughtiness...
 
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Update: I just got an alert that Seattle's mayor has just cancelled her week-long quasi-curfew sort of curfew that we-won't-enforce-except-when we-do. The ACLU didn't like it because it "risk[ed] chilling the free speech of communities and individuals who are calling for a change ..." Nothing about the risks and inconvenience to the hundreds of thousands of people not protesting and crickets on the weapons prohibition. Funny how that works.
 
Yeah, ain't it...??? o_O

Selective outrage... it's a wonderful thing... :rolleyes:
 

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