RIP President Carter

[JRuby]

I think every American has a right to complain regardless of whether they vote. The efficacy of voting on a national level is highly debatable.

Then we disagree

 

[titsonritz]

I would argue that Obama was the worst because we will be dealing with the damage he caused for at least 100 years.

He caused Biden.

 

[titsonritz]

Are there a lot of Democrats on here or something? I mean I voted for Obama in 08 but that was the last time I ever made that mistake. For the life of me I cannot understand Democrat gun owners. I know some personally and their cognitive dissonance is pretty staggering.

You've been here since 2017 and you're just figuring that out?

 

[jabayevx]

Then we disagree

 

[jabayevx]

You've been here since 2017 and you're just figuring that out?

Out where? On this site? I don't use it very often.

 

[titsonritz]

I remember the Iran oil embargo under Clinton. I also remember cornahol instead of gasoline and that it was a whole 2$ a gallon. Today that almost seems silly but for a kid in high-school sure seemed exspensive when I was making 6$ a hour back in 1978. I think Carter was an honest man and I will always respect him.. RIP

I remember odd and even gas days under Carter.

 

[titsonritz]

Out where? On this site? I don't use it very often.

Yes, on this site.

 

[Mark W.]

He was from all appearances a very nice man that served his country.

That said he was the First person I voted for president in 76 and last Democrat I have voted for one I knew personally was a gun owner and elk hunter and he's long gone.

Grandma said it was ok to make a mistake but it was a mistake to make the same one twice.

 

[Old Dog]

I have the utmost respect for Jimmy Carter,

In fact, I consider him the last U.S. President possessed of honor and integrity.

Party affiliation aside, this was a man of conservative values, great moral character and a brilliant mind (he was a nuclear engineer for gosh sakes).,

Even Reagan's OMB director, David Stockman, admitted that had Carter been given a second term, the economy would have rebounded robustly, and maybe even exceeded what we saw under Reagan.

Too many unfair hits resulting from the military's botched mission to rescue the hostages in the embassy in Iran.

 

[jabayevx]

Yes, on this site.

Yeah I previously didn't engage at all in the threads so I had no idea. I dunno why Democrats would want to be on here. Their party wants to make the thing this site is about illegal and they cannot deny it.

 

[titsonritz]

Too many unfair hits resulting from the military's botched mission to rescue the hostages in the embassy in Iran.

At least we got Delta Force out of the deal.

 

[Cavedweller]

I remember odd and even gas days under Carter.

I mostly remember the national humiliation as radical Islamist "students" occupied the U.S. Embassy in Teheran because of Carter's naive foreign policy, and held 53 Americans hostage for 444 days due to his dithering, and the disaster at Desert 1 where eight good men lost their lives, largely due to Carter's insistence on micromanaging the failed rescue attempt from the White House and the poor state of readiness he had allowed the U.S. military to decay into.

"Operation Eagle Claw (Persian: عملیات پنجه عقاب) was a failed operation by the United States Armed Forces ordered by U.S. President Jimmy Carter to attempt the rescue of 53 embassy staff held captive at the Embassy of the United States, Tehran, on 24 April 1980. The operation, one of Delta Force's first,[1]​ encountered many obstacles and failures and was subsequently aborted. Eight helicopters were sent to the first staging area called Desert One, but only five arrived in operational condition.[2]​ One had encountered hydraulic problems, another was caught in a sand storm, and the third showed signs of a cracked rotor blade. During the operational planning, it was decided that the mission would be aborted if fewer than six helicopters remained operational upon arrival at the Desert One site, despite only four being absolutely necessary.[2]​ In a move that is still discussed in military circles, the field commanders advised President Carter to abort the mission, which he did.[3]​

As the U.S. forces prepared to withdraw from Desert One, one of the remaining helicopters crashed into a transport aircraft that contained both servicemen and jet fuel. The resulting fire destroyed both aircraft and killed eight servicemen."

Operation Eagle Claw - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

 

[nammac]

I remember odd and even gas days under Carter.

And 5 gallon limits were also common.

 

[titsonritz]

I mostly remember the national humiliation as radical Islamist "students" occupied the U.S. Embassy in Teheran because of Carter's naive foreign policy, and held 53 Americans hostage for 444 days due to his dithering, and the disaster at Desert 1 where eight good men lost their lives, largely due to Carter's insistence on micromanaging the failed rescue attempt from the White House and the poor state of readiness he had allowed the U.S. military to decay into.

"Operation Eagle Claw (Persian: عملیات پنجه عقاب) was a failed operation by the United States Armed Forces ordered by U.S. President Jimmy Carter to attempt the rescue of 53 embassy staff held captive at the Embassy of the United States, Tehran, on 24 April 1980. The operation, one of Delta Force's first,[1]​ encountered many obstacles and failures and was subsequently aborted. Eight helicopters were sent to the first staging area called Desert One, but only five arrived in operational condition.[2]​ One had encountered hydraulic problems, another was caught in a sand storm, and the third showed signs of a cracked rotor blade. During the operational planning, it was decided that the mission would be aborted if fewer than six helicopters remained operational upon arrival at the Desert One site, despite only four being absolutely necessary.[2]​ In a move that is still discussed in military circles, the field commanders advised President Carter to abort the mission, which he did.[3]​

As the U.S. forces prepared to withdraw from Desert One, one of the remaining helicopters crashed into a transport aircraft that contained both servicemen and jet fuel. The resulting fire destroyed both aircraft and killed eight servicemen."

Operation Eagle Claw - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

It cost him re-election and rightfully so.

 

[titsonritz]

And 5 gallon limits were also common.

So we're fist fights over it.

 

[Cavedweller]

(he was a nuclear engineer for gosh sakes).,

This is a common misconception, which he cultivated, but he had no such credentials. His degree from the USNA was in naval science, sort of like a general degree from a civilian institution.

The Smithsonian Magazine states:

"In the Navy, Carter completed two years of surface ship duty before applying to join the submarine service. Admiral Hyman G. Rickover selected the then-lieutenant to join a new nuclear submarine program, where he would become an engineering officer for the nuclear power plant of the U.S.S. Seawolf. However, when the senior Carter fell ill and died in 1953, Jimmy returned to Plains to take over the family business."

He had approximately 11 months of training in nuclear power plant management before leaving the Navy.

 

[Old Dog]

This is a common misconception, which he cultivated, but he had no such credentials. His degree from the USNA was in naval science, sort of like a general degree from a civilian institution.

The Smithsonian Magazine states:

"In the Navy, Carter completed two years of surface ship duty before applying to join the submarine service. Admiral Hyman G. Rickover selected the then-lieutenant to join a new nuclear submarine program, where he would become an engineering officer for the nuclear power plant of the U.S.S. Seawolf. However, when the senior Carter fell ill and died in 1953, Jimmy returned to Plains to take over the family business."

He had approximately 11 months of training in nuclear power plant management before leaving the Navy.

Not sure why anyone would want to denigrate Carter's intelligence or accomplishments. Carter was qualified as a nuclear engineering officer in the U.S. Navy. Even enlisted personnel in the Navy are called "engineers" regardless of whether or not they have degrees in engineering from a four-year school. Graduating from Navy Nuclear Power School is eminently more difficult than earning a four-year B.S. degree from a state university.

 

[Doug Fay]

I've just been looking at the list of presidents by death date. The last four, Reagan, Ford, Bush I and Carter were all quite elderly. In order, 93, 93, 94 and 100. I wonder if this speaks to the generally longer lives that people here are living. Or more likely to the intense and highest level of medical care that is accorded to former presidents.

Federal employees typically get a free day off for "national mourning" after a former president dies. You won't get any mail on that day.

Interesting observation on age at death. I've always figured being president had to be one of the most stressful jobs in the world. I've noticed past presidents' getting grey hair quickly once they took office. But those ages are remarkable. Maybe stress leads to a longer life? (ha, ha) But maybe the health care has something to do with it. Actually, now that I think about it, maybe that the energy and strength it takes to become president in the first place is responsible.

Anyway, I think he was a really good person, and may he rest in peace.

 

[HighlandLofts]

Was just asking - in my opinion, just my opinion you don't vote you don't have a right to complain. I always have felt that voting regardless of side is your right and responsibility. Thank you for voting. I will vote til I can no longer hold an ink pen.

If your a democrap you will still be voting long after your gone just like the peanut farmer..

He'll my brother inlaw got a $1,200 covid relief check well after he died.
I'll bet he was still voting being a disgusting democrap.

 

[Doug Fay]

Yeah I previously didn't engage at all in the threads so I had no idea. I dunno why Democrats would want to be on here. Their party wants to make the thing this site is about illegal and they cannot deny it.

I'm a Democrat, and I own two guns, soon to be four (although 3 of those will be flintlocks). I don't want to make guns illegal, but I would like to see fewer gun deaths, especially school shootings, in our country. But I can certainly understand why you said that, because pretty much all the calls to make guns illegal come from Democrats. But Dems aren't all that way. Anyway, hello fellow American and gun owner