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I ordered a Hatsan torpedo 150 on closeout $189 shipped. It was only available in 17.
I really like the idea of an underlever. I really question how long the accuracy of a break barrel will last...?
Game | Minimum Acceptable caliber* | Kill Zone** | Minimum Energy |
Small Birds | .177+ | .5″ | 5 FPE |
Medium Birds | .177+ | .75″ | 7 FPE |
Large Birds | .22+ | 1″ | 11 FPE |
Squirrel Sized Game | .22+ | 1″ | 9 FPE |
Rabbit Sized Game | .22+ | 1″ | 9 FPE |
Raccoon Sized Game | .22+ (.25+ recommended) | 1.5″ | 25 FPE |
That is exactly why I didn't buy one.I really like the idea of an underlever. I really question how long the accuracy of a break barrel will last...?
I also think many get caught up in fps claims. For me, airgun hunting is all about precision and shot placement. My Springers are around 7 ft/lbs and 15 ft/lbs of energy. I had one with 30 ftlbs of energy but it was heavy and tough to group well with. And hard to cock.
From the article:
I live in Germany, where all airguns are limited to 7.5 joules (5.6 fpe). This is very annoying for long-range shooters and also limits the choice of airguns, as many models are not offered in low-powered versions. But the big advantage is that the beginners here get an airgun they can actually shoot precisely, while so many Americans buy one of these $200, 1600 fps bangers just to become disappointed because it acts like a supersonic water hose.
Ask yourself how much power you really need and have a look at the Brits that hunt anything up to rabbits with 12 fpe. I personally would never sacrifice accuracy or comfort to exceed these 12fpe, unless I had a really good reason for it.
edit to add. Impact Energy Requirements for Hunting Various Animals - Hunting Valley Pocket Gophers
This is to assist in using the correct pellet and gun for the varmit to enable the correct shot for a quick, clean, humane kill
Sparrow 2.0ft-lbsPP
Valley Pocket Gopher - 3.0ft-lbs**
Squirrel - 3.0ft-lbs
Pigeon - 3.0ft-lbs
Rabbit - 5.0ft-lbs
Crow - 5.0ft-lbs
Groundhogs 10+ft-lbs
Raccoon - 40ft-lbs**
I would trust this source more than the above info. Basic airgun Hunting Guidelines | Airgun Depot
So what kind of FPE should you use for various game?
First of all let me state that while I'm familiar with many types of airguns and their capabilities, I am new to the airgun hunting arena. With that said, I have drawn upon the experts regarding the following suggestions and it's what I'm going to use as I explore my new found love of airgun hunting. Given the variety of airgun calibers and potential game, I'm going to break this down into game, caliber, kill zone, and energy. This will probably be a "living" chart which I will update as new information becomes available. It also assumes the ability for the airgun and shooter to effectively hit the necessary kill zone of the intended target.
Game Minimum Acceptable caliber* Kill Zone** Minimum Energy Small Birds .177+ .5″ 5 FPE Medium Birds .177+ .75″ 7 FPE Large Birds .22+ 1″ 11 FPE Squirrel Sized Game .22+ 1″ 9 FPE Rabbit Sized Game .22+ 1″ 9 FPE Raccoon Sized Game .22+ (.25+ recommended) 1.5″ 25 FPE
That is exactly why I didn't buy one.
I did allow FPS to be a major part of my decision, thinking that more is better. Thanks for educating me.
just has a red dot siteI got one of these UMAREX STEEL FORCE FULL AUTO BB GUN CO2 AIR RIFLE COLLAPSABLE STOCK for wood rats around the green house. cheap but fun to shoot.
found it works very well on morning doves in the elderberry outside my bedroom
How long does a CO2 charge last?just has a red dot site
if shooting single shot will shoot the 300 it holdsHow long does a CO2 charge last?
If u are shooting them up in a tree I would go for .177 in lower power but extremely accurate and a high power scope (does not have to be an expensive scope but a mil dot reticle is extremely helpful, leapers 3-9 bug buster Fe can be had for $58). The best imo would be the crossman custom shop 2400 with lothar Walther barrel. My 2300 with 11" lothar Walther barrel will shoot in the same hole over and over indefinitely at 20 yards. The barrel makes all the difference. If u are located in the middle of nowhere then the .177 and lower power doesn't matter.I would like an air rifle to kill starlings with. I need to be accurate to 25 yards and don't want to spend a lot, any suggestions?
What's the build quality of that Steel Force BB gun? How fast does it fire? Fast like an A10 Braaap or slower?I got one of these UMAREX STEEL FORCE FULL AUTO BB GUN CO2 AIR RIFLE COLLAPSABLE STOCK for wood rats around the green house. cheap but fun to shoot.
found it works very well on morning doves in the elderberry outside my bedroom
It's a plastic gun, but so far have been happy with it, much cheaper than the alternatives.What's the build quality of that Steel Force BB gun? How fast does it fire? Fast like an A10 Braaap or slower?