Restricting School Lockdown Drills.

[Andy54Hawken]

All I am going to say over an open forum is :
I will follow the drill , until it becomes necessary to do what is needed , to make sure my students go home safe.
You can sue me or thank me later...
Andy

 

[EPS]

All I am going to say over an open forum is :
I will follow the drill , until it becomes necessary to do what is needed , to make sure my students go home safe.
You can sue me or thank me later...
Andy

This is what I was trying to say .

 

[EPS]

Lol my employer .
There is no way I could carry a gun at work.
Well I could but if someone saw it I would be fired .
But we have had drivers get into fights .
Or defend themselves.
And our SUPERVISOR.
HAS HAD THERE BACK.
I carry a Kimber pepper blaster.
And have a knife.
On me at all times.
But I have a ASP .
that would probably get me fired.
BUT
better to be alive and looking for a job.
Than dead.
Lol I was looking for a job when I found this one.

 

[CoastRange57]

When my dad was a kid he said they had nuke drills constantly because of the threat from Russia. THAT would be scary.

As a kid in Southern California in first and second grade, 1963 or so, we had weekly duck and cover drills complete with the "do not look at the flash" instructions. The drills were not bad, the constant reminders from the media and politicians that our azzes were going to be smoked soon we just don"t know when was a constant thing.

I truly believed in those days that I would die in a nuclear exchange before I was 12 years old.

When you hear this noise, head for the fallout shelter....

 

[Jcon268]

As a kid in Southern California in first and second grade, 1963 or so, we had weekly duck and cover drills complete with the "do not look at the flash" instructions. The drills were not bad, the constant reminders from the media and politicians that our azzes were going to be smoked soon we just don"t know when was a constant thing.

I truly believed in those days that I would die in a nuclear exchange before I was 12 years old.

When you hear this noise, head for the fallout shelter....

Times were different then. I'm not saying having someone shooting in a school is a preferable thing but by comparison to being nuked, it is much easier to address the threat and remove it. With a nuke you're toast. A shooter should be stopped by 2 security personnel and fairly quick.

 

[Flymph]

I was in elementary school when they first started these active shooter drills in the late 90's, which we called Lockdown drills. They were no more traumatizing to us as were the earthquake and fire drills (not at all). They were initially proposed to us as a way of preventing any person from accessing the classroom for malicious intent, but eventually drew focus on the potential of an active shooter.
During Lockdown drills we would bunch up in corners so we couldn't be seen through the window in the door, and all blinds were closed. Sometimes a teacher would mention during discussion that several of us may need to try to subdue an attacker and using our scholarly resources as a weapon was suggested. I felt that being told we could fight back if hiding failed was good, as do I assume most of the boys who would be expected to do so also felt.
Sometimes you would here people knocking on doors, trying to open the doors, banging on whatever... as somebody walked the halls (I'm guessing school administration). A few times we even had police walk throughs. I never saw anyone driven to hysterics by any of this.

Unless things have changed dramatically, I think the testimony was over zealous and projected emotions...

 

[gunman99]

I have been really bothered by the testimony from students, educators and parents regarding the trauma they experience when going through lockdown drills. Most recently with testimony in SB 978 hearing. I can't tell if they are being sincere or if it's an act to try and gain sympathy from legislators and electors. Or both.

Do these students really believe that restricting our rights is going to eliminate lockdown drills? If they don't believe that, what is the point of their testimony in a hearing on a bill like SB978?

If these lockdown drills really are causing emotional trauma among students, faculty and family members maybe they should do away with them or perform them in such a way that it mitigates the trauma. Tips on doing that:
Mitigating Psychological Effects of Lockdowns

The more skeptical/paranoid side of me thinks that administrators could be intentionally make these drills more emotionally traumatic than necessary to influence kids to side with anti-rights causes.

I want to address this with all parties involved but I'm not sure how to approach it. Any ideas? Should I attempt legislation that
that requires less traumatic lockdown procedures. I would think this would be a non-partisan issue?

In my honest opinion your first thoughts are right on. There are several ways to stop shooters before they get in a school. They figured it out for the airports. Should a shooter make their way inside and the alarm sounds, steel doors could be closed on the inside of the classrooms and the same with ground level windows. At this point the shooter waits for police, as long as they aren`t from Florida and they can prepare to die.

 

[PaulB47]

Get your kids out of these indoctrination centers - then you won't have to care what goes on in them.

 

[Flymph]

Get your kids out of these indoctrination centers - then you won't have to care what goes on in them.

Until they turn to voting age and you're stuck wondering where all these ignorant anti-gun folks came from.

 

[OldBroad44]

When my dad was a kid he said they had nuke drills constantly because of the threat from Russia. THAT would be scary.

When I was a kiddie and most schools had nuke drills, none of mine bothered. I lived on or near Air Force bases. The school systems I went to all fully realized that we were in the total incineration zone. So why bother?

 

[Jcon268]

When I was a kiddie and most schools had nuke drills, none of mine bothered. I lived on or near Air Force bases. The school systems I went to all fully realized that we were in the total incineration zone. So why bother?

Yeah that's the thing about nukes...unless your school is a total bomb shelter then there isn't much use in doing anything other than hoping you got everything done you wanted to do in life.

 

[OldBroad44]

Yeah that's the thing about nukes...unless your school is a total bomb shelter then there isn't much use in doing anything other than hoping you got everything done you wanted to do in life.

The zone of death and damage from the physical shock wave of a nuke is much larger than the zone of incineration. And a lot of death in this outer blast zone would be caused by collapsing buildings and stuff falling on people. In the blast zone outside of the incineration zone, cover such as under tables could make a serious difference. So duck and cover was a reasonable drill for civilian populations some distance from likely targets.

 

[OldBroad44]

During my childhood, the combination of thousands nukes pointed at us and ever escalating size and numbers of bombs and levels of hostilities had me feeling that I and nearly everyone in the country was going to die some time within the next 20 years. Quite possibly every human in the world. And I really saw no way out. The collapse of the USSR without taking us all out in WWIII I still consider a miracle. And that view was reallistic. We apparently came very close.

And I was, indeed, on ground zero at the time. I was a HS kid living on Warner Robins Air Force Base, in Georgia, during the Cuban Missile Crisis. That base was within range of the medium-range nuclear missiles that were already in Cuba at the time. Warner Robins Air Force Base was the home of Hqtrs SAC and Hqtrs CONAC. Strategic Air Command, including our own bomber-based nuclear power. And Continental Air Command, responsible for mobilizing the reserves. Warner Robins Air Force Base was undoubtedly a prime target.

There was a family plan. If Dad thought the bombs were coming, he would call Mother and say something mentioning the orange trunks. This was Dad's code for their plan to evacuate the family. The two orange trunks were full of emergency supplies, rice, beans, fishing gear, ammo. Mother was to get my brother and I out of school, hook up the boat, and drive us all to a large lake area we knew, head out in the boat, and stay on an uninhabited island there until he came for us after the crisis was over...or indefinitely if he didn't. We had two handguns, a .30--.30, and my brother and I had our own 22 rifles. But part of my childhood reality was that we were on the brink, and this emergency plan was so our family would survive even though Dad most likely wouldn't. Dad assumed he would be on the base and would share it's fate. And that he would have enough info to assess probabilities and give his family the signal. Both turned out to be wrong.

When the crisis hit, Dad was immediately flown to the Pentagon. This was out of range of the missiles Cuba had. And he never gave the evacuation order to the family. At the time, they thought they had detected missiles on their way to Cuba. Only afterwards did it become known that Cuba already had armed medium-range nukes. Only after the fact did it become obvious just how close we had come. So if WRAFB had been nuked, Dad would actually have been out of range, and my mother, brother, and I would have been incinerated in the first volley. Of course after that, USA and USSR would have unloaded everything they had at each other.

Frankly, next to that, thinking about an occasional nutcase shooting up a school is tragic, but just nowhere near the same level of thing.

 

[Jcon268]

During my childhood, the combination of thousands nukes pointed at us and ever escalating size and numbers of bombs and levels of hostilities had me feeling that I and nearly everyone in the country was going to die some time within the next 20 years. Quite possibly every human in the world. And I really saw no way out. The collapse of the USSR without taking us all out in WWIII I still consider a miracle. And that view was reallistic. We apparently came very close.

And I was, indeed, on ground zero at the time. I was a HS kid living on Warner Robins Air Force Base, in Georgia, during the Cuban Missile Crisis. That base was within range of the medium-range nuclear missiles that were already in Cuba at the time. Warner Robins Air Force Base was the home of Hqtrs SAC and Hqtrs CONAC. Strategic Air Command, including our own bomber-based nuclear power. And Continental Air Command, responsible for mobilizing the reserves. Warner Robins Air Force Base was undoubtedly a prime target.

There was a family plan. If Dad thought the bombs were coming, he would call Mother and say something mentioning the orange trunks. This was Dad's code for their plan to evacuate the family. The two orange trunks were full of emergency supplies, rice, beans, fishing gear, ammo. Mother was to get my brother and I out of school, hook up the boat, and drive us all to a large lake area we knew, head out in the boat, and stay on an uninhabited island there until he came for us after the crisis was over...or indefinitely if he didn't. We had two handguns, a .30--.30, and my brother and I had our own 22 rifles. But part of my childhood reality was that we were on the brink, and this emergency plan was so our family would survive even though Dad most likely wouldn't. Dad assumed he would be on the base and would share it's fate. And that he would have enough info to assess probabilities and give his family the signal. Both turned out to be wrong.

When the crisis hit, Dad was immediately flown to the Pentagon. This was out of range of the missiles Cuba had. And he never gave the evacuation order to the family. At the time, they thought they had detected missiles on their way to Cuba. Only afterwards did it become known that Cuba already had armed medium-range nukes. Only after the fact did it become obvious just how close we had come. So if WRAFB had been nuked, Dad would actually have been out of range, and my mother, brother, and I would have been incinerated in the first volley. Of course after that, USA and USSR would have unloaded everything they had at each other.

Frankly, next to that, thinking about an occasional nutcase shooting up a school is tragic, but just nowhere near the same level of thing.

I think it is out of times like these that we learn to be grateful for having what we have. It teaches people to protect what they have. Unfortunately, sometimes living in prosperity AFTER something like this has passed makes people too comfortable and we forget that these threats never truly go away, they just become dormant for whatever reasons - political, etc. This would be what most people refer to as the millenials or gen Z kids. The only concept of war they have is in a land far away. There was no real threat to their homeland or way of life. Too much comfort, I'd say.

 

[Flymph]

I think it is out of times like these that we learn to be grateful for having what we have. It teaches people to protect what they have. Unfortunately, sometimes living in prosperity AFTER something like this has passed makes people too comfortable and we forget that these threats never truly go away, they just become dormant for whatever reasons - political, etc. This would be what most people refer to as the millenials or gen Z kids. The only concept of war they have is in a land far away. There was no real threat to their homeland or way of life. Too much comfort, I'd say.

America hasn't been invaded by a foreign power since 1812... and the last war on American soil ended in 1864 (unless you count territories like the Philippines).

I agree that complacency and idealism confused for reality is an issue, but it is not exclusive to recent generations.
Most millennials remember 9/11, and the only real foreign attack before that was pearl harbor.
I just have to ask, how old can you possibly be?

 

[Jcon268]

America hasn't been invaded by a foreign power since 1812... and the last war on American soil ended in 1864 (unless you count territories like the Philippines).

I agree that complacency and idealism confused for reality is an issue, but it is not exclusive to recent generations.
Most millennials remember 9/11, and the only real foreign attack before that was pearl harbor.
I just have to ask, how old can you possibly be?

Where was is that I said we've recently been invaded? Nuclear warfare constitutes a threat that is different from invasion.

 

[Jcon268]

America hasn't been invaded by a foreign power since 1812... and the last war on American soil ended in 1864 (unless you count territories like the Philippines).

I agree that complacency and idealism confused for reality is an issue, but it is not exclusive to recent generations.
Most millennials remember 9/11, and the only real foreign attack before that was pearl harbor.
I just have to ask, how old can you possibly be?

Funny you would mention the Phillipines as my wife is Filipina and her grandparents (those still alive) recall invasion quite clearly.

 

[Flymph]

Where was is that I said we've recently been invaded? Nuclear warfare constitutes a threat that is different from invasion.

You never did, but you also never saw a nuke fall.

 

[Jcon268]

You never did, but you also never saw a nuke fall.

And you have? What does this have to do with the conversation at hand?

 

[Flymph]

And you have? What does this have to do with the conversation at hand?

My point is that you condemned a whole generation on the supposition that they have not experienced any sort of threat or seen the manifestation of these threats.
The reason there are drills is that the threat of violence is real. In retrospect, the cold war was like a boogey man in comparison to terrorism now. The proxy wars were the only part of the cold war that was real.
I'd rather have my enemy chest puff than blow up civilian targets whenever able.