Require all firearm sales to go through a NICS check?

[Norm0931]

I don't see why they couldn't get rid of the NFA act. It is antiquated and inefficient.

I'd go two years on the renewal but I'm holding fast on getting rid of the NFA act garbage.

How about an "Airplane Endorsement" that can be obtained with a special training class and only permitting certain types of ammo on the plane?

As a pilot allowing the masses to be able to carry on an airplane is WAY too much of a risk. I'm sorry but I will never support that for civilian airliners in the US.

I honestly can't see the NFA act just going away, most people already think you can buy automatic weapons at the local 7-11. If you actually CAN it's just going to make us look worse. I'm more okay with having to jump through some hoops so I can tell the Feinsteins and Burducks of the world that they are wrong.

 

[oknow]

50% of households in this country have firearms with the number continuing to rise. Making people responsible for what happens to their firearms if they choose to sell them to bad people or allow them to be "stolen" by not properly securing them in their home would result in a dramatic decrease in bad people obtaining firearms.

ok you have your guns in $2000 liberty safe and it is bolted to the floor and your on vacation, some b g breaks into your house and has a couple days to get into your safe. so we are responsible because we didn't secure them properly because the b g got the guns see where your logic goes (in the toilet). how about keeping the bad guys in jail that way most of the problem is solved instead of stepping on law abiding peoples RIGHT

 

[oknow]

50% of households in this country have firearms with the number continuing to rise. Making people responsible for what happens to their firearms if they choose to sell them to bad people or allow them to be "stolen" by not properly securing them in their home would result in a dramatic decrease in bad people obtaining firearms.

ok you have your guns in $2000 liberty safe and it is bolted to the floor and your on vacation, some b g breaks into your house and has a couple days to get into your safe. so we are responsible because we didn't secure them properly because the b g got the guns see where your logic goes (in the toilet). how about keeping the bad guys in jail that way most of the problem is solved instead of stepping on law abiding peoples RIGHT

 

[keystir]

ok you have your guns in $2000 liberty safe and it is bolted to the floor and your on vacation, some b g breaks into your house and has a couple days to get into your safe. so we are responsible because we didn't secure them properly because the b g got the guns see where your logic goes (in the toilet). how about keeping the bad guys in jail that way most of the problem is solved instead of stepping on law abiding peoples RIGHT

Nope, nice try though. Simply report your firearms stolen from your $2000 safe and you're free and clear. I don't want to step on anyone's rights, I want you to have any and every firearm you ever wanted.

 

[ZigZagZeke]

ok you have your guns in $2000 liberty safe and it is bolted to the floor and your on vacation, some b g breaks into your house and has a couple days to get into your safe. so we are responsible because we didn't secure them properly because the b g got the guns see where your logic goes (in the toilet). how about keeping the bad guys in jail that way most of the problem is solved instead of stepping on law abiding peoples RIGHT

I think a reasonable requirement for firearms possession might be storage in a proper, certified for the purpose by the State of Oregon, safe. But once you install a certified safe, in a reasonable way, then you're off the hook. If somebody then breaks into that certified safe, then you have no liability.

 

[Greenbug]

I think a reasonable requirement for firearms possession might be storage in a proper, certified for the purpose by the State of Oregon, safe. But once you install a certified safe, in a reasonable way, then you're off the hook. If somebody then breaks into that certified safe, then you have no liability.

Thats funny, I believe we should not be "liable" for the actions of any criminal.

 

[BIG_GUNNUT]

Nope, nice try though. Simply report your firearms stolen from your $2000 safe and you're free and clear. I don't want to step on anyone's rights, I want you to have any and every firearm you ever wanted.

So if they break into my locked $150,000 house while I'm on vacation and steal my guns am I free and clear?

 

[Norm0931]

I'm not a fan of the government telling me I have to buy anything. It's bad enough I will be forced to soon buy health insurance just for living.

 

[Mark W.]

Will all gun thefts also have to go through a background check? Cause if not then the whole silly idea is worthless.

I don't want to buy no $2000.00 safe thats more then 3 mortgage payments.

Since a safe will not stop a theft but only slow them down (depending on the theif)

My work shop is in my house my shop has any tool needed to create hand made knives. Therefore it has any tool needed to enter a $2000.00 safe.

How about if I just keep my guns locked up in my house. its illegal to break into my house why shouldn't that cover it?

 

[keystir]

So if they break into my locked $150,000 house while I'm on vacation and steal my guns am I free and clear?

Absolutely.

 

[fredball]

When one sells an automobile, should we be held legally responsible for any deaths that occur because a breathalyzer or blood test for drug use was not done? Far more deaths from impaired driving than firearms. When will doctors be held legally responsible for all the deaths of Americans they cause?

When will punishing the irresponsible acts of criminals become more important than punishing law abiding citizens? Why does the responsibility of crime seem to fall on those of us ( a seemingly dwindling portion of the population) who follow the law?

Murder is still illegal, more occur every year despite new legislation. Cocaine, meth, speed, prescription drugs with no prescription, pot ( federally) , LSD, uppers, downers, all arounders, and bath salts are all illegal. Yet more commit their lives to these drugs every year and they are illegal. Maybe we are responsible for their choice and the government hasn't told us about it yet.

Everything in this post is spot on and tho go a little further , the gubberment is the problem not the solution they create these problems and we the people pick up the peices evey stinking time punish the law abiding tax payer allow the welfare recip to suck the life blood from payer and not even have to take a lousy drug test to qualify to receive the funds or programs , the problem with socialism is eventually you run out of other peoples money , and this legislation that will only make it tougher for the tax payer law abider will do nothing to hinder a crook nothing

 

[fd15k]

Just like many other folks, I am fairly selfish. I don't want to inconvenience myself with going through an FFL, even if that potentially means some lives could be saved. The only compromise I am willing to make is requiring all sales to go via FFL except for CCW (CHL, CPL, CWL) holders.

 

[Coffindodger]

I should have added this to my first post on this thread, I was distracted. Please excuse my lack of focus.

Thanks fredball for thinking clearly and seeing things for what they really are.

If you believe that a mandatory NCIS check for face to face sales of private property will curb the black market then I have a pig that can get you from Seattle to Portland in an thirty minutes. And I have $12 30 round pmags. If the government can foil a terrorist plot on American soil, why can't they find who is delivering the guns to felons, especially in the strictest states? Do the felons go out of state to buy their guns? Do they have gun trees in California?

Firearms are serialized and tracked from the time of stamping that serial, to the final product, to the sales department, to the wholesaler, to the distributor, to the FFL, then to the purchaser ( despite what the govt claims they still log every sale, that's why a serial number and description of the firearm are on the form ). Isn't there a bureau of the government, specifically dedicated to these sorts of crimes? I seem to have forgotten the name of that bureau. All of this is excluding the theft of firearms from law abiding citizens, all safes aside. Until everyone wants to be a productive member of their communities, theft will never stop. It's even older than prostitution.

What this says to me is that no matter what laws are on the books, even in the most restrictive states, people who chose to give up their rights are still getting their hands on firearms. Why aren't more Americans asking these questions of our government? Just because we live in big cities, and hunting and gathering is easy doesn't mean we shouldn't give up being self sufficient.

I fully understand that this does not apply to most of us. But I had to take time from my tweeter, facebook and youtube to type this and that really pisses me off to no end. I'm off to watch the good Reverend Al Sharpton on MSNBC. He's so smart about politics and guns and stuff.

 

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[oknow]

I should have added this to my first post on this thread, I was distracted. Please excuse my lack of focus.

Thanks fredball for thinking clearly and seeing things for what they really are.

If you believe that a mandatory NCIS check for face to face sales of private property will curb the black market then I have a pig that can get you from Seattle to Portland in an thirty minutes. And I have $12 30 round pmags. If the government can foil a terrorist plot on American soil, why can't they find who is delivering the guns to felons, especially in the strictest states? Do the felons go out of state to buy their guns? Do they have gun trees in California?

Firearms are serialized and tracked from the time of stamping that serial, to the final product, to the sales department, to the wholesaler, to the distributor, to the FFL, then to the purchaser ( despite what the govt claims they still log every sale, that's why a serial number and description of the firearm are on the form ). Isn't there a bureau of the government, specifically dedicated to these sorts of crimes? I seem to have forgotten the name of that bureau. All of this is excluding the theft of firearms from law abiding citizens, all safes aside. Until everyone wants to be a productive member of their communities, theft will never stop. It's even older than prostitution.

What this says to me is that no matter what laws are on the books, even in the most restrictive states, people who chose to give up their rights are still getting their hands on firearms. Why aren't more Americans asking these questions of our government? Just because we live in big cities, and hunting and gathering is easy doesn't mean we shouldn't give up being self sufficient.

I fully understand that this does not apply to most of us. But I had to take time from my tweeter, facebook and youtube to type this and that really pisses me off to no end. I'm off to watch the good Reverend Al Sharpton on MSNBC. He's so smart about politics and guns and stuff.

they know who is delivering the guns, even name,ssn, and date of hire

 

[ScorpioMk]

If they were going to do anything it should be to do things that help us not hinder us. Allow people to call in their own nics type check for selling a firearm to someone. Have a place online or app for phones, type in a name and drivers license number and it gives a yes/no.

Have a dedicated website for stolen guns that someone actually updates.

Let people write off the cost of a GOOD safe? Maybe just people in lower tax brackets not 100k+ earners. Having a grand or a few to spend on a good safe not resembling a high school locker can be hard.

Things like the first two should be voluntary, not required. I dont care much for write offs either but if it were available I know more people would have a quality safe.

 

[wayoutwest]

Will never happen, impossible to enforce.

Why is it impossible to enforce, its already in California and has been for many years. All new gun sales at the FFL get a 4473 and DROS (dealer record of sale) all your info and gun info, kept on file for many, many years. Sell it to someone else and its back to the FFL for a new 4473/DROS for the new owner with a state fee.

 

[gunnoob75]

....Pretty obvious. People just wouldn't use the forms and sell anyway.

You think every banger in Oakland buys guns with an FFL present?

 

[Nwcid]

The title should read "Require all legal firearms sales to go though a NICS check". Since the difference between the law abiding (I assume all of us) and the criminals is that we follow the laws that means laws like this will ONLY effect US and have NO effect on criminals (people who break the law).

I don't think I will ever understand how people think that after so many laws are broken in these cases how yet another law will stop a criminal.............

 

[bnsaibum]

The title should read "Require all legal firearms sales to go though a NICS check".

Thanks for this bit, my brain has been stuck in low gear today.