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This thread is about the use of a magazine with your 308 caliber hunting and defensive long distance weapon (rifle). I am thinking of 3 weapons here. The first one is a Remington 700 SPS Tactical, the second option a Ruger Scout also in 308, and the third, not a bolt action, but a semi auto USA version of the famous FL FN style weapon, a DS ARMS production STG 58 in 308 as well. The objective is to use any of these guns with a 10 round (or in the case of the STG a 20 round) magazine.
Which weapon is best suited for my desired situation. I am not a hunter by trade nor by hobby. I have never shot a deer. I could and I almost did, but then felt bad for the creature and shot in the air so nobody else could get him... judge me now...I know. I am more into defensive tactical shooting. So I bought my first bolt action ever. I have other weapons too. So, now I own a Remington 700 SPS Tactical (20" BBL) in .308 (the AAC-SD model). This barrel is already threaded for a suppressor or alike kind of fun devices. This gun is meant to be a defensive weapon for distances between 200 to 800 yards.
I am considering a few options. I want to build up the Remi to accept 10 round magazines. The problem is consideration of funds to be spent. And these are the questions I have to you, hoping that, you with your mostly much greater experience with this kind of a rifle, than myself, can help me decide which way to go. Few facts or options:
The AICS or the MCREED version of a stock are both around $ 800 to $ 900 with 2 10-rounder magazines. Then I can sell my Remi SPS BDL stock (it's not bad) for about $50 to $70, and the hinged magazine and trigger guard for around the same. Or I chose from Midway from various options HS, PTR, Badger, etc... kits from around $ 300 to $ 400 bucks. If I can't install it myself I have to go to Mr. Smith, another $ 100 bucks.
Questions:
1. Do I scrap the project, sell the gun and buy a Ruger Scout in 308. Price is around $ 800 to $ 900 with 2 magazines. I read lots of good things about it?
2. Do I even scrap the Ruger idea as well and just get the DS Arms STG 58 with the 21.5" Barrel for around $ 1200?
3. Or is the Remi 700 worth it really, to hang on to it?
4. If 3 is yes, then is possible to drop in a trigger guard kit for the AIC magazines in 308 (short action) quite easily? Or should I just get the AICS 1.5 stock (I am more attracted to that stock) and build up from there?
5. Are there other Magazine fed bolt action guns (of course nothing like the Remi 770 please) already put together ready to shoot that are as accurate as the Remi 700 Tactical?
6. Am I forgetting any other important questions?
The STG 58 from DS Arms is a fine quality gun, in my opinion the best US-made parts gun (forget the CAI for $ 800). It is of course not meant to be as accurate as the Remi 700. But I shot this gun quite a bit some 10 years ago and really liked it. Accuracy wise, it gets the target down at 600 yards. But of course, it is a military weapon. It is a semi. And it already has the magazine option, obviously and it is a modestly good gun for the money.
I am in it with the Remi 700 $ 550 NEW, plus the Nikon Scope Bushwacker (LOL) 3-9 x 40 with rings... another $ 300 (rounded up). At Midway (they have the lowest price offer) I can get the drop in kit with 2 10 round mags for $130 plus $ 170, plus shipping .... $ 330, or the badger for $ 400.. Let's say $ 400. That brings the gun with Harris-type bipod and sling to just little over 1,300$. Then I sell the hinged floorplate mag from the remi for $ 50 or so and I am back at $ 1250.
Or, I could just pay about $ 900 with 2 10 round magazines for the AICS Stock 1.5, drop in my 850$ REmi 700 with scope, get the bipod and sling and be in it $ 1800. Then sell the stock and hinged mag for about $150 and be back at $ 1,650. Ouch! Of course, the STG 58 option gets me to the same $ 1,600 if I want my scope on it. DS ARMS has a dust cover - weaver style rail for $ 100. No bipod needed because the STG 58 has this built in one...really cool.
Nope, I don't like DPMS' in my price range. I don't like the action. And the hybrid one with gas piston cost too much (for me). Darn thing if you have a budget. These are defensive weapons for husbands, and not their angry spouses that shoot (metaphorically speaking) ,their husbands with their newly acquired toys when going over budget. Right?
So, please bring it on, the discussion. Educate me please! Are there other weapon choices to consider, such as the Savage perhaps? I want a magazine. I just can't see my self pushing my rounds into this little pocket space for 4 to 5 rounds. That is pathetic aka California Gun-Law Style. I could move to Canada with that weapon (nothing more than 5 rounds). I be better off to get a 1000 FPS Airgun in Canada. At least you can stick in more rounds there. But I think these Airguns are prohibited in Canada as well (or only with special permit). I could try to throw an anvil 600 yards.
LOL. Anyway. That's it.
thanks
Thomas (by the way, I live in Utah. Please consider me still for the Northwest. I like the northwest. Qualified?)
Which weapon is best suited for my desired situation. I am not a hunter by trade nor by hobby. I have never shot a deer. I could and I almost did, but then felt bad for the creature and shot in the air so nobody else could get him... judge me now...I know. I am more into defensive tactical shooting. So I bought my first bolt action ever. I have other weapons too. So, now I own a Remington 700 SPS Tactical (20" BBL) in .308 (the AAC-SD model). This barrel is already threaded for a suppressor or alike kind of fun devices. This gun is meant to be a defensive weapon for distances between 200 to 800 yards.
I am considering a few options. I want to build up the Remi to accept 10 round magazines. The problem is consideration of funds to be spent. And these are the questions I have to you, hoping that, you with your mostly much greater experience with this kind of a rifle, than myself, can help me decide which way to go. Few facts or options:
The AICS or the MCREED version of a stock are both around $ 800 to $ 900 with 2 10-rounder magazines. Then I can sell my Remi SPS BDL stock (it's not bad) for about $50 to $70, and the hinged magazine and trigger guard for around the same. Or I chose from Midway from various options HS, PTR, Badger, etc... kits from around $ 300 to $ 400 bucks. If I can't install it myself I have to go to Mr. Smith, another $ 100 bucks.
Questions:
1. Do I scrap the project, sell the gun and buy a Ruger Scout in 308. Price is around $ 800 to $ 900 with 2 magazines. I read lots of good things about it?
2. Do I even scrap the Ruger idea as well and just get the DS Arms STG 58 with the 21.5" Barrel for around $ 1200?
3. Or is the Remi 700 worth it really, to hang on to it?
4. If 3 is yes, then is possible to drop in a trigger guard kit for the AIC magazines in 308 (short action) quite easily? Or should I just get the AICS 1.5 stock (I am more attracted to that stock) and build up from there?
5. Are there other Magazine fed bolt action guns (of course nothing like the Remi 770 please) already put together ready to shoot that are as accurate as the Remi 700 Tactical?
6. Am I forgetting any other important questions?
The STG 58 from DS Arms is a fine quality gun, in my opinion the best US-made parts gun (forget the CAI for $ 800). It is of course not meant to be as accurate as the Remi 700. But I shot this gun quite a bit some 10 years ago and really liked it. Accuracy wise, it gets the target down at 600 yards. But of course, it is a military weapon. It is a semi. And it already has the magazine option, obviously and it is a modestly good gun for the money.
I am in it with the Remi 700 $ 550 NEW, plus the Nikon Scope Bushwacker (LOL) 3-9 x 40 with rings... another $ 300 (rounded up). At Midway (they have the lowest price offer) I can get the drop in kit with 2 10 round mags for $130 plus $ 170, plus shipping .... $ 330, or the badger for $ 400.. Let's say $ 400. That brings the gun with Harris-type bipod and sling to just little over 1,300$. Then I sell the hinged floorplate mag from the remi for $ 50 or so and I am back at $ 1250.
Or, I could just pay about $ 900 with 2 10 round magazines for the AICS Stock 1.5, drop in my 850$ REmi 700 with scope, get the bipod and sling and be in it $ 1800. Then sell the stock and hinged mag for about $150 and be back at $ 1,650. Ouch! Of course, the STG 58 option gets me to the same $ 1,600 if I want my scope on it. DS ARMS has a dust cover - weaver style rail for $ 100. No bipod needed because the STG 58 has this built in one...really cool.
Nope, I don't like DPMS' in my price range. I don't like the action. And the hybrid one with gas piston cost too much (for me). Darn thing if you have a budget. These are defensive weapons for husbands, and not their angry spouses that shoot (metaphorically speaking) ,their husbands with their newly acquired toys when going over budget. Right?
So, please bring it on, the discussion. Educate me please! Are there other weapon choices to consider, such as the Savage perhaps? I want a magazine. I just can't see my self pushing my rounds into this little pocket space for 4 to 5 rounds. That is pathetic aka California Gun-Law Style. I could move to Canada with that weapon (nothing more than 5 rounds). I be better off to get a 1000 FPS Airgun in Canada. At least you can stick in more rounds there. But I think these Airguns are prohibited in Canada as well (or only with special permit). I could try to throw an anvil 600 yards.
LOL. Anyway. That's it.thanks
Thomas (by the way, I live in Utah. Please consider me still for the Northwest. I like the northwest. Qualified?)
