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Recall Signature Gathering Against Val Hoyle to be blocked by a Technicality

Discussion in 'Legal & Political Archive' started by Lance Jacobs, May 29, 2015.

  1. Lance Jacobs

    Lance Jacobs South Willamette Valley Oregon Well-Known Member

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    A liberal group called OUR OREGON has filed a complaint in court against the recall effort against Val Hoyle, saying that state law is being violated by using gun store employees to act as signature gatherers. Since they are gathering signatures while being paid to work at the gun store, they argue that they must legally be considered to be paid signature gatherers. Consequently, they argue that these employees must go through state training and certification before they can work to gather signatures.

    In addition, OUR OREGON said that their private investigators that checked these gun stores in Lane County out found that the recall petitions were abandoned many times while employees went off to do their work, not leaving anyone nearby. That would be yet another violation of the law.

    The Our Oregon complaint asks that Secretary of State Jeanne Atkins reject any signatures collected by the recall effort after May 1 and block the campaign from collecting any more signatures until recall backers “can establish full compliance with Oregon law.”

    So a legal attempt is being made to totally derail Hoyle's recall, based on legal technicalities of signature gathering.

    Here is a a report about this effort:

    http://registerguard.com/rg/news/lo...led-against-campaign-to-recall-rep.-hoyle.csp
     
  2. ZA_Survivalist

    ZA_Survivalist Oregon AK's all day.

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    Christ they are evil evil people.
     
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  3. Foreverlost

    Foreverlost South of LesbianVille, OR. Active Member

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    Just remember what evil has done, gas chambers & crematorium.

    Foreverlost,
     
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  4. blackadder

    blackadder Everett Bronze Supporter Bronze Supporter

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    You say it like this is new information.
     
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  5. parallax

    parallax eugene, or-gun Bronze Supporter Bronze Supporter

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    Val Hoyle NEEDS TO GO!.....
     
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  6. OLDNEWBIE

    OLDNEWBIE State of Flux Well-Known Member

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    http://registerguard.com/rg/news/lo...led-against-campaign-to-recall-rep.-hoyle.csp
    Our Oregon is backed financially by the state’s public employee unions and other progressive groups.
    That's says it all!

    Any gun owner who doesn't vote against Governor Brown is............well use your imagination!

    The Progressive machine must be stopped somehow. Let it begin with gun owners voting with the 2nd Amendment as a priority over what these Union fat cats are telling everyone to vote.

    The well is gonna run dry eventually anyway to those who are members of the State Public Employees Union and the Ponzi scheme that is PERS.
     
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  7. bolus

    bolus Portland Gold Supporter Gold Supporter 2015 Volunteer 2016 Volunteer

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    Im surprised it took this long for someone to fight it.

    The article said they are checking us out as well. We are set up for paid signature gatherers but dont have any. Our volunteers use the correct form and the shops who are supporting us are just pushing the website where the form for individuals can also be downloaded.

    There are no big groups financially supporting any of us directly. The way to help the van hoyle recall is to get people to donate.

    The opposition has huge amounts of money to throw at this.
     
  8. tiggers97

    tiggers97 United States Well-Known Member

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    I remember your comments about someone upfront trying to infiltrate and sabotage the group. I wonder if this was another "Our Oregon" member?
     
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  9. etrain16

    etrain16 Oregon Bronze Supporter Bronze Supporter

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    The fact that they're even going after this recall effort (as well as the others), tells me that they are truly concerned. Otherwise, they could simply ignore the recall efforts (since they say they're not worried). This may be a good sign, if not a nasty hiccup in the process. Why waste money and resources fighting grass-roots efforts unless you think they are really a threat?

    They are scared. And that is a very good thing.
     
  10. OLDNEWBIE

    OLDNEWBIE State of Flux Well-Known Member

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    If they succeed in stopping this real grass roots recall effort on a technicality, it's almost as much of a win as if the recalls worked.

    If VH, CR. or SM got recalled it would be a one or two day story then another clone would be quietly appointed and business as usual!

    If the Public Employees Unions backed Progressive Liberal group "Our Oregon" succeeds it will be a drawn out affair with hopefully lots of coverage. Maybe it will finally wake people up as to who is really controlling the State and what their real motives are. Power and Money!

    A lot of people are fed up with the history of greed and corruption with PERS bankrupting the State.

    Add the gun grabbing stuff, the Kits/Hayes tremendous waste of Tax payer dollars and all the corruption, yet he was backed by Progressive groups like "Our Oregon" whole heartedly! And they have the nerve to say "OUR RECALL" is corrupt!!!!!!

    If the biased media even tells half the story it should make all the people of Oregon a little ticked off! Not just gun owners.

    These Rats need to be flushed out of Salem. After the recall efforts are exhausted put your sights on Kate Brown getting removed from office! Then Any Representative who voted for SB941!
     
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  11. Slobray

    Slobray Yelm, WA Well-Known Member

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    The sad part is that they won't because the media is controlled by prog libs. They will only continue to push their agenda.


    Ray
     
  12. solv3nt

    solv3nt Portland Well-Known Member

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    This is what happens when you dot your tee's and cross your eye's. They finally got Al Capone on tax evasion, not being a murderer, extortionist, etc....
     
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  13. The Heretic

    The Heretic Oregon Well-Known Member

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    Try try again.

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  14. Stomper

    Stomper Oceania Rising White Is The New Brown Silver Supporter

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    I think their effort to call them paid signature gatherers will fall flat, as they are not on the payroll of the recall organization, as well as the argument that the gun store owner can attest that he is volunteering "his/her" time regardless of the time of day. If the gun store is not receiving any "comps" for facitating the petitions being available on "his/her" property, then they aren't paid signature gatherers.

    As for leaving the petitions "unattended", unless they have it on video clearly showing a real pontential for fraud, it's hearsay and holds no legal weight whatsoever.
     
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  15. 10010110

    10010110 Forest Grove region Active Member

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    Replace "with PERS bankrupting the State" with "of the human creation called government" and you have what everyone should truly recognize as the problem.
     
  16. RW-Ore

    RW-Ore Oregon Well-Known Member

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    The Val Hoyle recall is going on full steam ahead. They cannot kick out any signatures taken at Gun Runner Arms because I took all of them and I made sure who signed was in her district. If my name is on the bottom of the sign in sheet it's for real.
     
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  17. 308

    308 ΜOΛΩΝ ΛΑΒΕ ΜOΛΩΝ ΛΑΒΕ Platinum Supporter Silver Supporter

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    Yes, but this time around it won't be us...it will be the domestic enemies.
     
  18. Simonpie

    Simonpie Portland Active Member

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    There's been enough hanky-panky in the past with signature gatherers, I'm glad that there's high scrutiny. We need that on every petition, regardless of subject. This can be won straight-up and above-board.
     
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  19. Lance Jacobs

    Lance Jacobs South Willamette Valley Oregon Well-Known Member

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    Apparently their money is being used to hire investigators and attorneys.

    It would appear that the recall effort is now going to need an attorney or two as well.

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  20. Lance Jacobs

    Lance Jacobs South Willamette Valley Oregon Well-Known Member

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    Well, the troubling thing here is that the new Secretary of State, Jeanne P. Atkins, is an extremely partisan and political person. If one looks at her work record, she has never been elected to any office. She has worked as a Democratic staffer in the Oregon Senate and House for a very long time, and most recently has been working in Senator Merkley's staff since 2009.

    Can she be counted on to reasonably follow the law? Or could partisan politics perhaps influence her judgement in ruling on this matter?

    She is apparently just a placeholder for the job until the 2016 election. So she is not planning to run for re-election. So whatever she does while in office between now and then, she really does not need to worry about any political fallout for herself.

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