Question on war era winchester 94 1944

[oa98pistol512]

A period correct ( circa 1944 ) era Lyman peep sight would be the model 56.
Something to consider here is that Winchester didn't start drilling and tapping on the receiver for peep sights till after the War...
In the mid 1950's.
A Pachmayr 'Decelerator " recoil pad...while a good choice...also isn't period to 1944.
Also....do you know if the stock has been cut to fit the pad...?

If the bore is good....
What you have is a nice Pre-64 Winchester Model 94 , for hunting and shooting...but not for most collectors.
As far as a price goes....
I would guess somewhere between $600 and $800 ...again....just a guess here.
Andy

56mc

 

[oa98pistol512]

A period correct ( circa 1944 ) era Lyman peep sight would be the model 56.
Something to consider here is that Winchester didn't start drilling and tapping on the receiver for peep sights till after the War...
In the mid 1950's.
A Pachmayr 'Decelerator " recoil pad...while a good choice...also isn't period to 1944.
Also....do you know if the stock has been cut to fit the pad...?

If the bore is good....
What you have is a nice Pre-64 Winchester Model 94 , for hunting and shooting...but not for most collectors.
As far as a price goes....
I would guess somewhere between $600 and $800 ...again....just a guess here.
Andy

Sounds like you know your stuff. The rear sight has me baffled . If it is not correct somone did a a nice job all finger adjustable and wore the same. I have had it for 20 years

 

[gmerkt]

Sometime in the late 70's they started to iron plate the receivers

I didn't know that. I had one of the 1894 Big Bores with a receiver that looked like that. It was a .375 Win. Now there is a little group that you could make a collection of. The .307 Win., 356 Win. and .375 Win. As I recall, these were made in the late 1970's.

 

[sobo]

OOPS.... 1315613 Say 1942.
A couple years ago when I got the rifle at the ARPC show I dug around quite a bit on that site. Bert H. had a running thread at the time trying to fill in a survey of these rifles. I remember serial numbers in Dec '41, and January '42 that my rifle was between. No definitive answer without getting the letter. But defiantly Dec '41 or Jan '42. wish I could remember what forum that was.

Looks like you flip-flopped a couple digits in your original post, Mike.
Using S/N 13516** (as you originally posted, see below) gives the YOM of 1945 (as I posted further above).

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Using S/N 1315613 (as you posted in the message I quoted in this post) gives YOM of 1942, which is in agreement with your original assertion.

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All is well...

 

[orygun]

@sobo , Where does one find the calculator you are using?

 

[sobo]

@sobo , Where does one find the calculator you are using?

I put it in this post.

 

[MilsurpMonkey]

Sounds like you know your stuff. The rear sight has me baffled . If it is not correct somone did a a nice job all finger adjustable and wore the same. I have had it for 20 years

Pre 50s receiver sights are generally murky. Lots of folks simply state they are all drilled post consumer purchase. This is false. Winchester would do anything a customer wanted. Unfortunately, the only way to prove anything was done at the factory, is with a letter obtained from Cody. Even then, some factory details aren't always noted. The default is then going to be a post consumer addition. That's just the way the collecting world works. Three of the biggest killers of Winchester value are 1-extra holes 2-altered wood 3-refinish.

 

[sobo]

Pre 50s...

Three of the biggest killers of Winchester value are 1-extra holes 2-altered wood 3-refinish.

That may well explain the Grand Sobo's negative reaction when my brother and I, in our long ago youth, decided to "surprise" the Grand Sobo by re-bluing his pre-64 (1946, actually, by the S/N and the site I linked above) Model 70 in .30-'06. His response was... um, shall we say... less than enthusiastic...

To say he was none too pleased would be an understatement of the highest degree. He still mentions The Dastardly Deed occasionally to this day...

This one, with S/N 564**:

 

[MilsurpMonkey]

Yeah, I can imagine he was none too happy. As a rule of thumb, I never touch the original finish beyond preservation for a gun that hasn't been dicked with. If the arm is already irreversibly altered, and the choices are to part out or refinish and put back into use, that's when I'll consider it. Very rarely do I find it a good idea though. One of the biggest problems, is that today everyone just wants to media blast and spray a paint-like product. This is fine for the worst of basket cases, but it's not a "reblue" or a "restoration" of any kind. The word "restore" gets tossed around a lot, but truth be told, very few people on this earth are capable of a "restoration". Most are simply refurbishing. Most also lack the skill to properly do that. Very few gunsmiths anymore will bother with a proper hand polish and reblue. No one wants to pay for it. I detest prepping with a buffer. Unfortunately, that's the big cost saver for labor. Welcome to rounded edges and washed out markings to varying degrees.

 

[orygun]

I put it in this post.

I've used them and also Proofhouse. Proofhouse is fine for many things, but some of the Winchester info is flawed and I think their info on the Winchesters is flawed, too.
I wondered if you had a different source.

 

[slingshot1943]

Drilled and cut, you're going to really struggle to get to $600.

Not all are cut when pad added. Should be about 13 3/4" from trigger

 

[MilsurpMonkey]

Not all are cut when pad added. Should be about 13 3/4" from trigger

True. But more often than not, they are.

 

[nehalemguy]

Not one pre 64 with peep sights has sold for $600 a 72 era with peeps just sold for $700 on GB .

I have seen some really stupid stuff go down on GunBroker, so it is not always the best gauge of the market. I recently paid $800 for an unmolested post-war flat band at a Portland area LGS. It had sat unlooked at for almost a month. I think the market is a bit soft right now. The biggest detractor on the OP's firearm is the Pachmayer pad. Recoil pads are deal killers for me regardless of if they are factory or not.

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