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You need to stop believing that gun control is about crime. It's not…
Sadly the reason this works is VAST majorities of even gun owners fall for this crap. So as each new law comes up if it does not cause them any pain, they shrug and tell me I am spreading fake news. That the people they are voting for really are not going to ever take "their" guns. Bad enough that people who don't own or want to own a gun fall for this. A hell of a lot of gun owners also support it. :(
 
way better looking than a Glock, but making one reliable is hit and miss. I have one that runs fine, one that is a problem child with no clue what to do. The problem child is the one with all the high end fancy parts too...
I did a cheapo with a old Swenson 17 slide the only issue was the original channel liner . I also did one with a Zaffari 34l slide gold barrel both run just fine . The only issue is takedown the P-80 lover on both is way harder to pull the tabs to release the slide . The Glock is a lot easier otherwise they work as intended and have yet to choke one is used with a suppressor and runs just great .
 
Sadly the reason this works is VAST majorities of even gun owners fall for this crap. So as each new law comes up if it does not cause them any pain, they shrug and tell me I am spreading fake news. That the people they are voting for really are not going to ever take "their" guns. Bad enough that people who don't own or want to own a gun fall for this. A hell of a lot of gun owners also support it. :(
Not necessarily related, I just find myself wondering just how many of your posts either start with "sadly" or at a minimum contain it? Must be tiring being so down at the time... I like your content but dang, bro...
 
Ghost guns would never been invented if it wasn't for gun control. They think this P80 case is a win but they created a monster. "data wants to be free".
It may have helped the scale of the market, but I don't agree. It's simply a case of the natural evolution of technology. If it "can" be done, people are willing to pay for it and a buck can be made... it's simply going to happen.

Once costly advanced polymer production and processes evolved and migrated into the common smaller business market.. it was all but inevitable. New gun control laws might help increase the demand, but there was already a natural market for them.

Some people may not be at all into DIY'ing a thing, but there are masses of people that are. Technology making something more accessible to more people drives demand in and of itself.
 
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I wonder why P80 couldn't produce serialized frames for the ban states and un-serialized frames for the other states ?
They could, they did, and they were. What killed them was the continuous onslaught of frivolous lawfare. From that article it was said they were getting hit with 2 or 3 new lawsuits every month and no end in sight. With all the activist judges willing to ignore the law in pursuit of their own reality of the "greater good"... they simply couldn't keep up with the capital outflow.

If you can't pay your suppliers and operational costs... ya'done4.
 
I wonder why P80 couldn't produce serialized frames for the ban states and un-serialized frames for the other states ?
They have been, but its the lawsuits that hit the company as a whole.
I do hope they can come back as at least a 100% manufacturer.
 
Not necessarily related, I just find myself wondering just how many of your posts either start with "sadly" or at a minimum contain it? Must be tiring being so down at the time... I like your content but dang, bro...
The other day an old thread in here got resurrected, the subject was by how little votes measure 114 passed by. The OP researched the numbers of registered Republicans vs how many votes were against the bill and it far exceeded the few thousand votes it passed by.
Alex isnt wrong, but those voters just arent the type to participate in this forum so the message doesn't really hit where it needs to go.
 
I ordered 3 Glock kits from them when they were on sale and they never sent them to me. I also honestly believe that their frame kits were way too easy to finish to a frame. The ATF really messed up when they first ruled that the kits were only 80% complete even though it takes only about 5 minutes to make a useable frame out of them. Once the ATF made that decision the rest is really on them for doing so! The fall out of Polymer 80 is AR 80% receivers and 1911 80% frames which both take actual work and craftsmanship to complete are going down with them... which is unfortunate.

[While marketed to hobbyists, the kits had strong appeal among criminals looking to acquire untraceable weapons with little scrutiny. In Los Angeles alone, police recovered more than 4,200 Polymer80 ghost guns between January 2020 and February 2023.

"This number of untraceable guns… had significant consequences for law enforcement and public safety," the Los Angeles City Attorney's Office said in a statement about Polymer80's closure.
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...I don't question that guns in the hands of felons not legally allowed to own a gun is a problem. I do question how much of a problem not being able to trace a gun actually is? Maybe I am wrong but I have a hard time believing criminals are leaving their untraceable guns at crime scenes and if they were traceable the crime would be solved. Even P80 guns cost money to assemble. I doubt most criminals would just leave them at the scene. I can see entrepreneurial hoods assembling P80 guns in a half hour and making a mint selling them to friends with felonies though... which has always been illegal.
Where are people getting the idea that it only takes 5-10 minutes to properly drill and mill an 80% receiver?
 
The other day an old thread in here got resurrected, the subject was by how little votes measure 114 passed by. The OP researched the numbers of registered Republicans vs how many votes were against the bill and it far exceeded the few thousand votes it passed by.
Alex isnt wrong, but those voters just arent the type to participate in this forum so the message doesn't really hit where it needs to go.
 
The other day an old thread in here got resurrected, the subject was by how little votes measure 114 passed by. The OP researched the numbers of registered Republicans vs how many votes were against the bill and it far exceeded the few thousand votes it passed by.
Alex isnt wrong, but those voters just arent the type to participate in this forum so the message doesn't really hit where it needs to go.
Sadly a LOT of gun owners will not lift a finger or worse yet support those who hose us. A LOT of people get over the top emotional about this because they don't like facts. :s0092:
I1639 and Sporting Systems was a great example of why we keep losing. Meanwhile we see a lot of members here tell anyone who will listen to them to not vote. Now there's the solution, give up and get as many as you can to join you in giving up. :confused:
 
Meanwhile we see a lot of members here tell anyone who will listen to them to not vote. Now there's the solution, give up and get as many as you can to join you in giving up. :confused:
I must read the wrong threads or just not paying enough attention, but I can only recall maybe only one hands worth of fingers where I've seen anyone encouraging others not to vote.

On the other hand (see what I did there :D ) I probably see two hands worth a fingers... daily... of folks laying the blame squarely on firearm owners for all the corrupt politicians in office and every unconstitutional law on the books.

Constantly making firearm owners the punching bags for political frustrations does little to affect change, motivate others or engender cohesion within the firearm owners community.

Just sayin..... again...... 🤣
 
Sadly a LOT of gun owners will not lift a finger or worse yet support those who hose us. A LOT of people get over the top emotional about this because they don't like facts. :s0092:
I1639 and Sporting Systems was a great example of why we keep losing. Meanwhile we see a lot of members here tell anyone who will listen to them to not vote. Now there's the solution, give up and get as many as you can to join you in giving up. :confused:
My guess, just a guess, of the all the gun owners in the US, my guess is maybe only 10-20% of them are hardline 2A believers. Id say maybe 40% of the total are conservatives in general but may or may not pay attention to ballot measures. Id say maybe 60% of all us gun owners are liberally biased politically and land in the camp that thinks its a conspiracy theory anyones trying to take away their guns.
 
I must read the wrong threads or just not paying enough attention, but I can only recall maybe only one hands worth of fingers where I've seen anyone encouraging others not to vote.

On the other hand (see what I did there :D ) I probably see two hands worth a fingers... daily... of folks laying the blame squarely on firearm owners for all the corrupt politicians in office and every unconstitutional law on the books.

Constantly making firearm owners the punching bags for political frustrations does little to affect change, motivate others or engender cohesion within the firearm owners community.

Just sayin..... again...... 🤣
This just in . . . :eek:

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