Pinning threaded barrel around Everett / Seattle / Redmond?

[I am Jason]

Does anyone know of an FFL that will receive and pin / solder a threaded barrel? There is a pistol that I can find only in a threaded variant and having a tough time finding an FFL that can pin it for me.

As I'm typing this, I am wondering if I was to find someone selling a pistol that had a suppressor pinned, or permanently attached already, would that be legal in WA?

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[monkeybutler]

1.Does anyone know of an FFL that will receive and pin / solder a threaded barrel? There is a pistol that I can find only in a threaded variant and having a tough time finding an FFL that can pin it for me.

2. As I'm typing this, I am wondering if I was to find someone selling a pistol that had a suppressor pinned, or permanently attached already, would that be legal in WA?

1. Why not just have the threads cut off since they extend past the muzzle? Pinning and welding a thread protector sounds kind of silly.
2. It would be very difficult to determine that vis a vis the vague letter of the law. One could make arguments either way.

 

[bradsteen]

Does anyone know of an FFL that will receive and pin / solder a threaded barrel? There is a pistol that I can find only in a threaded variant and having a tough time finding an FFL that can pin it for me.

As I'm typing this, I am wondering if I was to find someone selling a pistol that had a suppressor pinned, or permanently attached already, would that be legal in WA?

I've checked with a number of FFLs here about pin/weld on rifles to make them WA legal,, haven't found one willing to do it. Best bet would be to find an FFL with gunsmith services in a different state and see if they're willing to perform the service for you. Will likely be a challenge because you would have to pay for both the firearm and gunsmith services prior to it being shipped to your local FFL, and prior to you going through a background check. From the seller's perspective you could fail the background check and demand a refund, which could be a hassle for them to deal with as they would need to take back into inventory a firearm that would be hard to sell locally.

You might offset that concern by having a local FFL lined up who will accept the transfer with mods you describe, and agreeing to pay the selling FFL for the gunsmith services and a large restocking fee if you fail the background check and the firearm has to be returned.

An opportunity I hope FFLs take advantage of is inventory exchange between out of state shops willing to do compliance conversions and local shops willing to buy them to resell. Haven't seen any evidence of that existing yet, but one could hope. @Sporting Systems - any thoughts on whether something like this could work, and what hurdles would need to be cleared?

 

[FourTeeFive]

Does anyone know of an FFL that will receive and pin / solder a threaded barrel? There is a pistol that I can find only in a threaded variant and having a tough time finding an FFL that can pin it for me.

As I'm typing this, I am wondering if I was to find someone selling a pistol that had a suppressor pinned, or permanently attached already, would that be legal in WA?

Now I'm curious. What pistol?

 

[DirectDrive]

Does anyone know of an FFL that will receive and pin / solder a threaded barrel? There is a pistol that I can find only in a threaded variant and having a tough time finding an FFL that can pin it for me.

As I'm typing this, I am wondering if I was to find someone selling a pistol that had a suppressor pinned, or permanently attached already, would that be legal in WA?

It sounds like you want an FFL to acquire this pistol, pin and weld something onto the barrel and then transfer it to you ?
Problem is that it's still a threaded barrel which is not allowed for new purchases of certain firearms as per HB 1240.
That's why they won't do it.

Find another pistol that is WA compliant is about your only legal option.

 

[GWS]

Does anyone know of an FFL that will receive and pin / solder a threaded barrel? There is a pistol that I can find only in a threaded variant and having a tough time finding an FFL that can pin it for me.

As I'm typing this, I am wondering if I was to find someone selling a pistol that had a suppressor pinned, or permanently attached already, would that be legal in WA?

I'm curious as to what pistol comes only with a threaded barrel?
I think you should be able to find a standard barrel for the pistol, Then transfer the pistol with the unthreaded barrel.

 

[bradsteen]

I'm curious as to what pistol comes only with a threaded barrel?
I think you should be able to find a standard barrel for the pistol, Then transfer the pistol with the unthreaded barrel.

The Hi Point 995P and KelTec CP33 are two examples off the top of my head.

 

[I am Jason]

Now I'm curious. What pistol?

I'm curious as to what pistol comes only with a threaded barrel?
I think you should be able to find a standard barrel for the pistol, Then transfer the pistol with the unthreaded barrel.

It's the S&W 22X. They list a complaint version on their site without threaded barrel, but doesn't seem to exist in reality. The previous 22 trainer, the M&P Compact 22 didn't seem to have a non-threaded variant either.

I've checked with their customer service about the compliant version and it's weird. They say they make them, but they can't tell me who has them, and when I check with any retailer (I've contacted a lot), they say they are not available. I saw pinning is usually ~$75 and thought it would be a simple solution.

Maybe it's just a matter of time, but FFS, they come out with their carry comp versions of pistols faster than I can find a non-threaded barrel.

 

[FourTeeFive]

It's the S&W 22X. They list a complaint version on their site without threaded barrel, but doesn't seem to exist in reality. The previous 22 trainer, the M&P Compact 22 didn't seem to have a non-threaded variant either.

I am seeing a lot of the non-threaded barrel ones on Gunbroker. Finding a 10-round magazine version is likely a bigger problem. Note that you need to dig through the details of each ad since some people might use a different photo. The SKU is 14313 for that particular model (non-threaded, 10-round magazines).

https://www.smith-wesson.com/product/m-p-22x-10rd-compliant

Smith & Wesson 14313 - M&P 22X Optic Ready - Pistol: Semi-Auto - 22 LR - Single Action - Optic Ready Slide, Black Anodized Alum Slide | GalleryofGuns.com

Brand: Smith & Wesson - Product#: 14313 - Model: M&P 22X Optic Ready - Type: Pistol: Semi-Auto - Caliber: 22 LR - Action: Single Action - Finish: Optic Ready Slide, Black Anodized Alum Slide at Gallery of Guns.

www.galleryofguns.com

 

[drstrangelove]

Only way to do it legally is have an SOT remanufacture the gun as a permanently pinned and welded barrel… they would have to purchase the gun then sell it to you. They are the only FFLs licensed to do this. Best financial option is buy a different gun.

 

[I am Jason]

I am seeing a lot of the non-threaded barrel ones on Gunbroker.

Can you link one? Maybe I'm not searching correctly, I have searched every few days for a while.

 

[FourTeeFive]

Can you link one? Maybe I'm not searching correctly, I have searched every few days for a while.

Will do. Note I just edited my post above.

 

[FourTeeFive]

Lots of them on Gunbroker but all 20 round magazines.

I'd call Kentucky Gun Co. Also sign up online there to be notified; same with any other legit place you can find the 14313 model.

SMITH & WESSON 22X 22 LR 4.1" 10rd - Black

www.kygunco.com

 

[I am Jason]

Will do. Note I just edited my post above.

Thanks, I have signed up on most sites to be notified, and the link to S&W's site shows it SHOULD be produced, but when following any trail to an actual dealer, they don't have them and their distributors don't have them. This is my problem, they look like they're making them, but I can't find one to actually buy anywhere. When I search the specific UPC or SKU on gunbroker, I get nada. That's why I'm thinking it might just be a matter of time, maybe they were made in tiny qty since we are in the minority for demand with the compliant variant, they don't have any reason to over produce them.

 

[Sporting Systems]

Only way to do it legally is have an SOT remanufacture the gun as a permanently pinned and welded barrel… they would have to purchase the gun then sell it to you. They are the only FFLs licensed to do this. Best financial option is buy a different gun.

There is no legal process to make a rifle into a rifle by modifying the barrel threading. Federal law doesn't differentiate between threaded and non threaded, only barrel length.

 

[Sporting Systems]

I've checked with a number of FFLs here about pin/weld on rifles to make them WA legal,, haven't found one willing to do it. Best bet would be to find an FFL with gunsmith services in a different state and see if they're willing to perform the service for you. Will likely be a challenge because you would have to pay for both the firearm and gunsmith services prior to it being shipped to your local FFL, and prior to you going through a background check. From the seller's perspective you could fail the background check and demand a refund, which could be a hassle for them to deal with as they would need to take back into inventory a firearm that would be hard to sell locally.

You might offset that concern by having a local FFL lined up who will accept the transfer with mods you describe, and agreeing to pay the selling FFL for the gunsmith services and a large restocking fee if you fail the background check and the firearm has to be returned.

An opportunity I hope FFLs take advantage of is inventory exchange between out of state shops willing to do compliance conversions and local shops willing to buy them to resell. Haven't seen any evidence of that existing yet, but one could hope. @Sporting Systems - any thoughts on whether something like this could work, and what hurdles would need to be cleared

We stock a number of items that we have modified to be in compliance with state law.

 

[FourTeeFive]

Thanks, I have signed up on most sites to be notified, and the link to S&W's site shows it SHOULD be produced, but when following any trail to an actual dealer, they don't have them and their distributors don't have them.

I had that a few years ago with a particular HK pistol. Signed up and eventually got a notice and bought it immediately. Of course a few months later everyone had them at better prices. It's hard to know why one particular model isn't available when you're looking.

Good luck in your search!

 

[drstrangelove]

There is no legal process to make a rifle into a rifle by modifying the barrel threading. Federal law doesn't differentiate between threaded and non threaded, only barrel length.

I'm not even aware of what firearm he's talking about... but for permanently restricting mag capacity or making something non-threaded, most SOT's are happy to help, as long as transfer isn't based on a gun named in the AWB. If you guys are OK doing something similar, that's awesome.

 

[Sporting Systems]

I'm not even aware of what firearm he's talking about... but for permanently restricting mag capacity or making something non-threaded, most SOT's are happy to help, as long as transfer isn't based on a gun named in the AWB. If you guys are OK doing something similar, that's awesome.

Any gunsmith can do it, doesn't need to be an SOT or even a manufacturer, as these are not class III items. They are neither creating, destroying or modifying beyond the existing categorization (pistol, revolver, shotgun. long gun, frame, other).