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The Associated Press has some coverage of the latest lunacy: Oregon, a hotbed of extremism, seeks to curb paramilitaries
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Kind of looks to me that this is focused on the several antifa vs proud boys clashes we had. The key being "can't interfere with legal right to do" (i.e. protest). So looks to me like this is all geared towards punishing anti-protestors while protecting protestors and the anarchists who take advantage of their crowds to wreak mayhem, commit arson, assault, etc.The Associated Press has some coverage of the latest lunacy: Oregon, a hotbed of extremism, seeks to curb paramilitaries
I think this is more geared toward armed disruption of legislatures, city counsel meetings etc. Sure everyone has a different definition of tyranny, but when armed groups of people try to stop government from doing it's job—courts determine what's tyranny (I can imagine eyes rolling)—then they just look threatening and lawless. That said, I'm still not a fan of this law bc it's not necessary.Kind of looks to me that this is focused on the several antifa vs proud boys clashes we had. The key being "can't interfere with legal right to do" (i.e. protest). So looks to me like this is all geared towards punishing anti-protestors while protecting protestors and the anarchists who take advantage of their crowds to wreak mayhem, commit arson, assault, etc.
I'd say that was easily disproven..There's no practical way to distinguish between protesters/counter-protesters
Protester vs counter protester is already distinguished ahead of time. A protest is planned and group like proud boys is planning a counter protest close by f.e. Look at K Brown's remarks before the proud boy rallies in the last 2 years. Her language was "we can't let them come in here..."I'd say that was easily disproven..
Black clad armed with clubs, pepper spray, molotov cocktails, fireworks, weapons with signs taped to them (baseball bats and spears/flagpoles), sometimes guns.. red and black flags,
Camo/greens/earth tones, armor, AR15s, blue jeans, almost no signs except the Proud Boys' or similar groups.....
That said... this bill is awful. It'll be worse when it gets voted on and comes out on SOS.
Are there anyone planning to launch lawsuits against this bill?
Use a search engine for Detroit mudroots . You will get several articles about an armed group who escort elderly people to the grocery stores and help them pump gas safely. It seems like the Oregon politicians want to prevent people from defending their neighbors while crime flourishesHere is the historical example of this proposed law:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Enabling_Act_of_1933
"was a law that gave the German Cabinet – most importantly, the Chancellor – the powers to make and enforce laws without the involvement of the Reichstag or Weimar President Paul von Hindenburg, leading to the rise of Nazi Germany. Critically, the Enabling Act allowed the Chancellor to bypass the system of checks and balances in the government. The act rested upon Article 48 of the Weimar Constitution which gave the government emergency powers during periods of unrest. Among these powers was the ability to create and enforce laws that could explicitly violate individual rights prescribed in the constitution."
This law gave Hitler the power to silence dissent by his opponents, by using he powers of the State. Read the whole Wikipedia article and the link to Article 48 to get an idea of how these laws are abused.
Burning of the Reichstag = January 6
Burning of the Books = Internet and Media censorship/spread of propaganda
Enabling Act of 1933/Article 48 of the Weimar Republic = HB 2572 and others coming
Kristallnacht = Yet to come
The Yahoo article (link here) writes about the group being compared to the Black Panthers -- which, as the Panthers splintered and became more militant, became the unspoken seed for the Gun Control Act of 1968. Given Michigan's slide into hair-on-fire gun control, this group's efforts may have unintended consequences.Use a search engine for Detroit mudroots . You will get several articles about an armed group who escort elderly people to the grocery stores and help them pump gas safely. It seems like the Oregon politicians want to prevent people from defending their neighbors while crime flourishes
Not exactly the best analogy to THIS legislation, IMO: different level of government; grant of authority w/o legislative or judicial check, etc.Here is the historical example of this proposed law:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Enabling_Act_of_1933
"was a law that gave the German Cabinet – most importantly, the Chancellor – the powers to make and enforce laws without the involvement of the Reichstag or Weimar President Paul von Hindenburg, leading to the rise of Nazi Germany. Critically, the Enabling Act allowed the Chancellor to bypass the system of checks and balances in the government. The act rested upon Article 48 of the Weimar Constitution which gave the government emergency powers during periods of unrest. Among these powers was the ability to create and enforce laws that could explicitly violate individual rights prescribed in the constitution."
This law gave Hitler the power to silence dissent by his opponents, by using he powers of the State. Read the whole Wikipedia article and the link to Article 48 to get an idea of how these laws are abused.
Burning of the Reichstag = January 6
Burning of the Books = Internet and Media censorship/spread of propaganda
Enabling Act of 1933/Article 48 of the Weimar Republic = HB 2572 and others coming
Kristallnacht = Yet to come
Cargill.government willfully ignoring a court order suggests that government is willing to simply take power
It was a mistake to use the = symbol, because it implied that I was making a literal comparison, which was not my intent. I did not intend to make each item "equal to," but similar to. The point was the progression of actions. The often quoted (or misquoted) saying, which I won't put in quotes because it has so many slight variations, is appropriate:Not exactly the best analogy to THIS legislation, IMO: different level of government; grant of authority w/o legislative or judicial check, etc.
I'm of the belief that too many people (left and right) try to analogize things happening in America—which has a fundamentally different structure of government, geography and breakdown of state power bc of federalism—to Weimar Germany and the Nazis' actions/strategies to take power. My concern isn't that it detracts from the horror that the Nazis inflicted on the world (which it does and many find knee-jerk offensive and will automatically ignore what you're saying), but overuse of that analogy dilutes the seriousness of making such a comparison. Sure there is a starting point where the analogy starts to be appropriate, but I'd argue that's when the executive or legislature starts to ignore the powers of the court (remember, our courts don't have an army or police force to compel compliance and government willfully ignoring a court order suggests that government is willing to simply take power.)
oh, Americans who have had enough the bullbubblegum......... make sense the Left would paint these people as terrorists. I mean by all means if they commit terrorist acts then yes arrest them as well. But these weren't the people destroying and burning cities for 2 years straight and the media called them "peaceful" while federal buildings were on fire. Fighting back against the govt is one thing, Antifa targeted innocent people and destroyed places of business of mom and pop shopsNot who they're going after. They want to go after people like these from Virginia View attachment 1370249View attachment 1370250View attachment 1370248
Preaching to the choir man, preaching to the choir. The antifa is pretty much the militant arm of a certain ideology and Party.... whereas the people that's being targeted in this awful bill, happens to be by and large, not the ones causing all the visible problems that gets blamed on them.oh, Americans who have had enough the bullbubblegum......... make sense the Left would paint these people as terrorists. I mean by all means if they commit terrorist acts then yes arrest them as well. But these weren't the people destroying and burning cities for 2 years straight and the media called them "peaceful" while federal buildings were on fire. Fighting back against the govt is one thing, Antifa targeted innocent people and destroyed places of business of mom and pop shops