Oregon Oregon HB4145 - M114 Implementation bill for 2026 Session

[1911Fanatic]

Is that why Doc was shining a black light in my rack?

Probably looking for jizz…

 

[Seven5]

How do you mean? Measure 114 is still on the books, on hold pending whatever Oregon Supreme Court decides (they heard oral arguments last fall of 2025), and potentially pending 9th Circus relating to Duncan V Bonta..but there's a high likelihood of Oregon Supremes deciding in favor of State simply because of who's on the bench (all D appointees), even if Raschio's ruling is robust with citations from Oregon Supreme Courts own case history , Oregon Constitution text, tradition, and timeframe (when Oregon became a State, technology of firearms and the like).

If they can't even implement the bill that they're desperately trying to force through, because despite having what... Two years? They still don't have the infrastructure to enforce such a bill... The. What's the point?

This clearly seems performative.

The only thing they genuinely want is the [standard] capacity magazine ban, to reduce them to 10 rounds. Which is yet another performative stunt, since it doesn't actually do anything to prevent gun crime. It just gives them something to flaunt around their circles, and pat themselves on the back for. "Look, I did something good" even though there's no data to back up that it's effective in any form

So it seems like this is all just so they can get a superficial win, and so they can tell their voters "look, we're doing something"...

I call that performative

 

[PiratePast40]

I don't think the pressure is from Oregon voters. It's most likely from donor groups that are running the show behind the scenes. The Dems have a powerful and well funded machine. Most of these bills are sent in from DC with political career consequences for failure. Don't believe me, ask yourself how Biden actually made the tough decisions and set policy. IMO, he had little to do with any of it and was just a sock puppet.

 

[nammac]

I don't think the pressure is from Oregon voters. It's most likely from donor groups that are running the show behind the scenes. The Dems have a powerful and well funded machine. Most of these bills are sent in from DC with political career consequences for failure. Don't believe me, ask yourself how Biden actually made the tough decisions and set policy. IMO, he had little to do with any of it and was just a sock puppet.

Wasn't he really more like a sock monkey…

 

[Outermostline]

I really feel for you folks in Oregon. Looks almost identical to the HB 1163 bill that passed in WA state last year & will go into effect in 2027. Going to have to stock up on whatever firearms I'm needing before the permit system goes into effect & I have to deal with a huge waste of time before I can buy a gun.

 

[64MercurysRule]

Murder and shooting rates have been going down in Oregon especially in Potland without M114 so any new laws are not needed if that is the goal ..... Safety and Security ...... but it has never been about that . Harassment , control and limiting 2nd amendment freedom is there desired goal . They know what they're really after . It's a playbook agenda being played out all over America . As my grandfather would say : Putting whipped cream on a cowpie doesn't change the fact that it's still a COWPIE .

 

[Mono1]

I don't think the pressure is from Oregon voters. It's most likely from donor groups that are running the show behind the scenes.

Yeah. Weren't the two biggest Donors to the 114 push Soros and the Wife of the Microsoft CoFounder? Neither of whom LIVE in the state.

Just Wrong.

 

[tkdguy]

Let's remember that when 114 was a ballot measure lots of gun folks state wide did noting to campaign against it. 114 passed by 22,000 votes; lots of Republicans did not vote then as well. Now, the anti-hunting/fishing bill is picking up signatures and the outcome will be what? Remember the anti-bear and cougar hunting bill that passed about 30 years ago? This anti-hunting bill is similar. And, more antis moved into Portland and else ware.

 

[ilikegunspdx]

Let's remember that when 114 was a ballot measure lots of gun folks state wide did noting to campaign against it. 114 passed by 22,000 votes; lots of Republicans did not vote then as well. Now, the anti-hunting/fishing bill is picking up signatures and the outcome will be what? Remember the anti-bear and cougar hunting bill that passed about 30 years ago? This anti-hunting bill is similar. And, more antis moved into Portland and else ware.

Exactly what I was thinking. Letting the crazy left wing radicals indulge their wacko thinking unchecked means the metro retards will force it on us statewide.

 

[64MercurysRule]

 

[tkdguy]

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which was what happened on 114

 

[CamoDeafie]

which was what happened on 114

True. it got very close to being blocked. There was what, barely less than 25k vote difference between pass and no pass ?

62.3% voter turnout for 2022 Oregon midterm election. Wondering if, this meant a large % of the "no" votes were "disqualified" for whatever reason .. I distinctly remember some members here stating their ballots never got counted

 

[jayR]

True. it got very close to being blocked. There was what, barely less than 25k vote difference between pass and no pass ?

62.3% voter turnout for 2022 Oregon midterm election. Wondering if, this meant a large % of the "no" votes were "disqualified" for whatever reason .. I distinctly remember some members here stating their ballots never got counted

It was one of the last acts of "Sham"ea Fagan.

 

[Mark W.]

A note they will most likely be trying to sell the IP-28 as a stop hunting and fishing bill which by its self it terrible. But our side should be selling it as a Anti farming and ranching bill that will end maybe 100,000 jobs as companies that rely on farming and ranching animals have to shut down. We just visited Tillamook yesterday and everything connected to Tillamook Creamery would be gone all the cows all the processing all the trucking all the retail everything. And I would like to know where the 1000's of cows go once they are not part of an industry. Surely they don't expect the farmers to keep feeding them and you sure can't turn them out. How come there is nothing about how that works with this stupid IP-28
And if you think a lb of hamburger is expensive now wait until the demand jumps for the imported beef that will be the only choice in the stores. Can anyone say $15.00 a lb 80/20 burger.

 

[PiratePast40]

We do have a bit of a conundrum with HB4145. If passed, AND if we lose in supreme court, mag ban goes into effect Jan 2027. Since SB 243 was allowed to pass, AND if we lose in supreme court, the mag ban goes into effect March 15th of this year.

The Dems set a trap and the R legislators fell for it. Arguments from the R's that decide to cave is that they let 4145 pass because it was still a schmidt sandwich but with less schmidt than the other one.

This is what happens when you try to negotiate and compromise with conniving snakes.

 

[Jade Falcon]

Let's remember that when 114 was a ballot measure lots of gun folks state wide did noting to campaign against it. 114 passed by 22,000 votes; lots of Republicans did not vote then as well. Now, the anti-hunting/fishing bill is picking up signatures and the outcome will be what? Remember the anti-bear and cougar hunting bill that passed about 30 years ago? This anti-hunting bill is similar. And, more antis moved into Portland and else ware.

It's maddening to me that people still believe this nonsense. There is ZERO proof of this. Alexx keeps spouting this nonsense as well for Washington: blaming gun owners for being outvoted by suggesting they didn't vote, despite the fact that there is no evidence of that. Every single pro-gun person with a voice in this state has practically been screaming to the heavens about this stuff for the past 3 years now at least.

It's like some of you can't fathom the fact that we are not only outvoted but outspent (by a considerable margin) by a bigger population of Leftists than there are of us. Jesus, it's simple math. The I-5 Corridor is a Leftist highway from California to here. Where are our Conservatives coming from? Nowhere....nobody with a brain cell in their head and a gun on their waist wants to live here. Whereas Leftists see endless opportunities here to put down roots and expand, and they have the money to do it.

I guess by your logic there's a magical barrier on the border with Idaho that just causes gun owners to stop voting in WA and OR, but yet they vote by an overwhelming majority in Idaho? No, they ARE an overwhelming majority in Idaho....we are NOT the overwhelming majority here, and likely never will be.

Stop blaming gun owners for being outvoted and outspent. It's pathetic.

 

[CamoDeafie]

It's maddening to me that people still believe this nonsense. There is ZERO proof of this. Alexx keeps spouting this nonsense as well for Washington: blaming gun owners for being outvoted by suggesting they didn't vote, despite the fact that there is no evidence of that. Every single pro-gun person with a voice in this state has practically been screaming to the heavens about this stuff for the past 3 years now at least.

It's like some of you can't fathom the fact that we are not only outvoted but outspent (by a considerable margin) by a bigger population of Leftists than there are of us. Jesus, it's simple math. The I-5 Corridor is a Leftist highway from California to here. Where are our Conservatives coming from? Nowhere....nobody with a brain cell in their head and a gun on their waist wants to live here. Whereas Leftists see endless opportunities here to put down roots and expand, and they have the money to do it.

I guess by your logic there's a magical barrier on the border with Idaho that just causes gun owners to stop voting in WA and OR, but yet they vote by an overwhelming majority in Idaho? No, they ARE an overwhelming majority in Idaho....we are NOT the overwhelming majority here, and likely never will be.

Stop blaming gun owners for being outvoted and outspent. It's pathetic.

62.3% turnout.

975,862 yes, 50.65%

950,891 no, 49.35%

A difference of just under 25,000 votes. Less than 1% difference.

If more than 25,000 gun owners bothered to vote no?

I couldn't find any concrete number for total number of ballots turned in, statewide, only county by county which means more math which I'm not in the mood for right now

 

[Jade Falcon]

62.3% turnout.

975,862 yes, 50.65%

950,891 no, 49.35%

A difference of just under 25,000 votes. Less than 1% difference.

If more than 25,000 gun owners bothered to vote no?

I couldn't find any concrete number for total number of ballots turned in, statewide, only county by county which means more math which I'm not in the mood for right now

LOL, THAT is your logic? There are 25,000 Leftist cat ladies just in Portland alone.....good luck finding that many gun owners there. Again, simple math. It's why Blue states are BLUE and Red states are RED.

 

[CamoDeafie]

LOL, THAT is your logic? There are 25,000 Leftist cat ladies just in Portland alone.....good luck finding that many gun owners there. Again, simple math. It's why Blue states are BLUE and Red states are RED.

My logic is that there's a significant portion of the registered voter population that did not vote, it could have gone either way if 10-20% more voters went all in. But 25,000 spread in 36 counties is not a significant number of voters to get, particularly looking at the fact of only 62.3% turnout rate. This is also why Kotek is banking on fewer voters in May for the gas tax bill instead of the November elections where more people will vote.
..show me any data where red counties in Oregon had better than 70% turnout.

Edit. Yes I am aware that the D Party enjoys a 10% advantage over the R Party in terms of voter affiliation, but the Ds are literally outnumbered by the Non-affiliated voters (doesn't include registered third party voters).

Logically M114 could have passed with a greater % but you are forgetting that not every gun owner is a registered Republican .

 

[Jade Falcon]

My logic is that there's a significant portion of the registered voter population that did not vote, it could have gone either way if 10-20% more voters went all in. But 25,000 spread in 36 counties is not a significant number of voters to get, particularly looking at the fact of only 62.3% turnout rate. This is also why Kotek is banking on fewer voters in May for the gas tax bill instead of the November elections where more people will vote.
..show me any data where red counties in Oregon had better than 70% turnout

And you are assuming that that 10-20% would have been gun owners? In Oregon?

That's a bold strategy, Cotton. I think it's perfectly reasonable, given the demographics of this state, that we were just outvoted. Yes, it sucks, nobody is denying that. But I've seen no evidence that those 25,000 people were gun owners who just stayed home.