New 12 gauge defense ammo

[kjkoontz18]

Anyone tried these out yet? They are spendy, $50 for 5 rounds.

https://pin.it/7s8fN0xNC

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[frank linkh]

They are so totally awesome. That's what they use to protect the white house and all of hunters blow that isn't stuffed up his nose.

 

[Nosferatu]

Meh.

I found about 21-27, 24-caliber lead balls at 1200fps works just dandily.

 

[Alexx1401]

Stuff does look wicked. Just not sure what I would ever do with it to justify the cost. I keep a few kinds of 12 Ga ammo. Some "less than", and then OO and slugs. The idea of the slugs would be in case I had to fire on a vehicle. The plain Jane slugs are do devastating on their own I can't really see buying these. I still well remember LONG ago. Place I used to shoot that was often a dumping area. One day an old hot water tank ended up there. Several of us were shooting it. Nothing was able to punch through it. 44 mag would go in one side and you could see and feel the bump on the other side. I had a shorty 12 in the trunk so got it out and fired a couple slugs at the tank. Those sailed clean through the damn thing.

 

[AshWilliams]

Maybe if you're hunting a T-Rex. My Brenneke slugs create hella destruction.

 

[CountryGent]

Interesting design, but practically speaking, 00-buck is plenty effective, has a proven track record, and is available inexpensively and pretty much everywhere. So, meh.

 

[Barefootdog]

There's a UTube video featuring either that or something very similar. Amazing amount of damage and the stuff flew straight and went were directed.....

Too rich for for this guy....I'm thinking if buck and slugs can't get it done I shouldn't be there.

 

[kjkoontz18]

Stuff does look wicked. Just not sure what I would ever do with it to justify the cost. I keep a few kinds of 12 Ga ammo. Some "less than", and then OO and slugs. The idea of the slugs would be in case I had to fire on a vehicle. The plain Jane slugs are do devastating on their own I can't really see buying these. I still well remember LONG ago. Place I used to shoot that was often a dumping area. One day an old hot water tank ended up there. Several of us were shooting it. Nothing was able to punch through it. 44 mag would go in one side and you could see and feel the bump on the other side. I had a shorty 12 in the trunk so got it out and fired a couple slugs at the tank. Those sailed clean through the damn thing.

12 gauge defender rounds are pretty sweet also, I have a few boxes of those.

 

[Certaindeaf]

If I loaded my shotgun with those it'd then be worth $200 instead of $100 so no.





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[WAYNO]

No doubt these are wicked.

Rifled slugs or cheapo buckshot... total incapacitation for less than a dollar.

 

[ilikegunspdx]

Anyone tried these out yet? They are spendy, $50 for 5 rounds.

https://pin.it/7s8fN0xNC

HESH rounds for the win!

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[hongkong2]

Check out these rounds

D Dupleks - Monolit 32

Monolit 32 - A completely new solid slug design for hunting. Superior penetration power for large and heavy game.

www.ddupleks.com

 

[Certaindeaf]

It also looks like you'd need a rifled barrel.. which to me is then no longer a shotgun.

 

[L84Cabo]

If you shoot someone with that stuff and get hauled into court, do you think using those rounds are going to make your chances of prevailing better or worse?

 

[Ducati_Meister]

It'll blow your lungs out for sure.

 

[bradsteen]

From their website:

The 100% Copper Projectile 12 gauge TSR (Tango Shotgun Round) Aluminum is the most accurate, hardest hitting, shot gun round in the world. With over 3 inches of expansion, the TSR Aluminum with it's series 7000 weapons grade Aluminum is equivalent to the power of a 308 Rifle round with the size of a small mortar.



Packing 1,925 Ft-lbs of energy creates a lethal defensive force. The TSR is not designed to be a breaching round, it is an accurate expanding projectile round (602 grain) up to 100 yards with little to no drop because of the light-weight copper projectile and aerodynamic nose cone. When the TSR reaches it's target, that is when the devestation begins, with a football size cavitation opening up to the expanding projectile of over 3 inches...within the first 3-4 inches of penetration and penetrating up to 7 to 9" inches into 10% FBI gel, with no over-penetration. The nose cone extends another 3 to 4 inches and is equivent to a .22lr in weight adding extra damage (as if it is needed) but still not over penetrating.

The TSR can be used for absolute take down of targets and hunting of large game.

 

[ilikegunspdx]

From their website:

How many grains is that? Energy is much less than a regular 12gauge slug. My 12.5" .308 has about the same energy. Frankly I'd rather use the .308.

This round is 100 yard max and dependent on correct expansion/behavior of the projectile through clothing etc. Hmmm... call me skeptical. But if I saw enough proof I might be sold on it.

 

[Nosferatu]

7000 weapons grade Aluminum

When a company has to make sh!t up to sell product, that's where I completely lose interest.

Bunch of BS artists. Stay away.

 

[bradsteen]

How many grains is that?

*shrug*

No idea. Just wanted to add the manufacturer's official product claims to the conversation, since there wasn't a lot of info already posted.

I wouldn't mind seeing a proper gel test from an unbiased third party. They claim the main projectile will go up to 9in deep (phrasing!), and up to an additional 4in with "just the tip" (more phrasing!), for up to 13in of total penetration (good lord, so much phrasing!).

Overall they seem to be hanging their hat on "lots of power with minimal risk of over-penetration", which is an attractive idea to many folks, especially those who share walls with or are in close proximity to their neighbors. That said, I'm skeptical until I see proper tests on gel or a "meat dummy".

 

[Barefootdog]

These guys have a series of interesting videos.

View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NynJOLt4eTY&t=13s


As asked earlier...wonder how a jury of your peers would react.

But it would probably be AOK if you shoot them in the leg........