Oregon Need to know laws in Oregon

[Koda]

I honestly do not believe an average democrat has an agenda to prevent an uprising against tyranny.

Only as long as you believe in the same definition of tyranny as the Democrats do....

 

[Koda]

Why is it that almost every gun control bill or law have an suspicious exemption for law enforcement (both active and retired apparently) and military personnel?

More like why is it every gun law only affects the law abiding?

 

[CamoDeafie]

More like why is it every gun law only affects the law abiding?

Ya know, criminals(specifically, convicts) are by legal definition not expected to follow any laws after serving sentences, if any so...........literally every law only affects the law abiding. Sure convicts can be arrested and charged over and over for breaking more laws, but they are not usually required to register anything, besides sex offenses (and it sure seemed for a while that even that wouldn't be required for some)

 

[1775usmc]

"By the way - I'm not going anywhere."

Glad to hear that, we don't need anymore sensitive types bailing on us.

Plenty of them here. They just use the ignore feature instead.

 

[ilovetobuy]

@Koda How would you define tyranny?

 

[ilovetobuy]

@CamoDeafie ORS 137.076

 

[Koda]

@Koda How would you define tyranny?

Anything that goes against the constitution and federal republic.

My point is the Democrats do not want an armed citenzenry but they will turn a blind eye to anyone using guns to defend or project their political agendas. They do not want a constitutional republic they want a democracy.

 

[CamoDeafie]

@CamoDeafie ORS 137.076

In context of having to apply for a gun purchase permit, or a concealed handgun license, or registering any weapon in any State that requires registration of weapons, or registering NFA items.. since they are now considered part of the Prohibited Persons class thanks to GCA 1968. This also applies to filling out the FFL forms for FFL purchases.

I do believe that there are several prior District, maybe even Supreme Court cases where the convicts were judged to not need to register weapons they owned prior to becoming convicts, or registering them after they themselves became convicts, because of the whole "Prohibited Persons class" thing, and because "once a convict, always a convict", and also because of laws against self-incrimination (5A?)
Someone who is more knowledgeable about these cases should correct me if I am mistaken

 

[Heavy Metal 1]

Even though I thoroughly despise these gun control laws to my very core, carving out an exemption for retired law enforcement is treating a type of citizen with favoritism. An ex cop is an ordinary citizen and as such ALL aspects of laws should apply to them equally as they apply to anyone else. If the intent of Measure 114 and its ilk is truly for "safety" then once one has jumped through all the hoops these abominable "laws" require everyone has met the safety training requirement and ex cops are now on equal footing with the ordinary Joe so the ex LEO should enjoy no special privliges.

Any gun law that gives preference to military and/or police is blatantly unconstitutional because if one reads the US Constitution IN THE LANGUAGE of the day, Well regulated meant that citizen's arms would be on par with that of the nation's military and police.

That other pesky little part that has been virtually paved over and especially hated by politicians of the D type and plenty of the Rs too is the Shall not be infringed.

I find it laughable that seemingly intelligent people can read the entire Bill of Rights and with a straight face say that Amendments 1 and 3-10 apply to the individual, but #2 is a group right.

 

[Cavedweller]

Plenty of them here. They just use the ignore feature instead.

Now THAT'S funny, considering that he has me on ignore. LOL

 

[CamoDeafie]

Even though I thoroughly despise these gun control laws to my very core, carving out an exemption for retired law enforcement is treating a type of citizen with favoritism. An ex cop is an ordinary citizen and as such ALL aspects of laws should apply to them equally as they apply to anyone else. If the intent of Measure 114 and its ilk is truly for "safety" then once one has jumped through all the hoops these abominable "laws" require everyone has meet the safety training requirement and ex cops are now on equal footing with the ordinary Joe so the ex LEO should enjoy no special privliges.

Any gun law that gives preference to military and/or police is blatantly unconstitutional because if one reads the US Constitution IN THE LANGUAGE of the day, Well regulated meant that citizen's arms would be on par with that of the nation's military and police.

That other pesky little part that has been virtually paved over and especially hated by politicians of the D type and plenty of the Rs too is the Shall not be infringed.

I find it laughable that seemingly intelligent people can read the entire Bill of Rights and with a straight face say that Amendments 1 and 3-10 apply to the individual, but #2 is a group right.

Preaching to the choir man, preaching to the choir.

The Supremes have said no rights are "absolute/unlimited/unrestricted"

 

[Cavedweller]

There may be some politicians in our republic with that agenda, but I think the folks that crafted the Oregon initiative focused on the fears of voters that voted in favor of the narrowly passed measure, and not the realistic consequences.

I don't believe the average supporter of such laws in this state fears guns as much as they dream of a utopian society in which they are not necessary.

 

[rurallife]

Does Portland have a 10 round magazine ordinance? I've been told it does, but will only enforce it if you do something stupid and illegal. ie, DUII.

 

[CamoDeafie]

Does Portland have a 10 round magazine ordinance? I've been told it does, but will only enforce it if you do something stupid and illegal. ie, DUII.

Not that my knowledge??

 

[1775usmc]

Does Portland have a 10 round magazine ordinance? I've been told it does, but will only enforce it if you do something stupid and illegal. ie, DUII.

No.

 

[rurallife]

Maybe that's Vancouver. Never mind …

Your regular programming continues.

 

[1775usmc]

Maybe that's Vancouver. Never mind …

Your regular programming continues.

It's all of Washington. Unless you had the mags in the state before the law took effect.

 

[MichaelH]

its sad because in portland city limits, if you dont have a CCL, you can only open carry a empty weapon with no mag , nothing in chamber,. which just seems absolutely ironic, because if i need to defend myself, id have to first insert the mag into the weapon, then chamber a round, and then finally come onto target.. but at that point its probably to late...

Oh I think it's worse. If you don't have a CCL it is unlawful to even possess a loaded magazine to put into the empty gun you're carrying, so you have to also load your magazine before you load your weapon to defend yourself. I believe--all from memory, so check-- that the ordinance is says "magazine", so maybe an empty revolver and a couple of speed loaders would be a better idea? You can defend yourself with a firearm in Portland if you don't have a CCL at home.

 

[orygun]

I'd conceal carry without a license before I open carry at all. That's not legal advice.

Don't ask. Don't tell.
Nobody would know unless I needed to use my gun. At that point, I'm not goin to be too concerned about the law.

 

[MichaelH]

Don't ask. Don't tell.
Nobody would know unless I needed to use my gun. At that point, I'm not goin to be too concerned about the law.

There's a certain kind of demented person for whom open carrying would be a reason to start bubblegum. I know that doesn't make any sense. It seems counterintuitive, but it's true.

If you're open carrying in Portland, legally with a license or not, it would be asking for trouble.

I do think that new Keltec 5.7 might be way around that loaded magazine ordinance. I don't think that they have stripper clips as a forbidden item in the local ordinance. It might also be a legal way to carry 20 rounds in your pistol after the magazine capacity limits go into place. At the same time, I think I'd rather have a Glock with 10 rounds than a Keltec with 20.