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Glad you made it out safe!
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thanks ,a small mirical happened
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The answer to your question could be so many things.
They don't trust anyone, possibly thought you were part of an ambush.
They don't care , locals only, you got yourself in-you get yourself out.
They were doing something illegal, don't need anyone getting a good look at them/their vehicle. Did you feel like they were trying to get away after you saw them?
Maybe just plain ignorant " oh look ,mortimer, a fellow merry-maker enjoying his day" .
There's probably more scenarios to boot.
They don't trust anyone, possibly thought you were part of an ambush.
They don't care , locals only, you got yourself in-you get yourself out.
They were doing something illegal, don't need anyone getting a good look at them/their vehicle. Did you feel like they were trying to get away after you saw them?
Maybe just plain ignorant " oh look ,mortimer, a fellow merry-maker enjoying his day" .
There's probably more scenarios to boot.
This is what I'm thinking. Most likely not equipped or capable of defending themselves and do not want to take the risk. Many people gone missing for stopping to help a stranded stranger.
Glad you're OK and hopefully better prepared for the next venture.
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Years ago down in AZ in what is now undoubtedly a gated community north of Pinnacle Peak a couple friends and I started wondering around the desert, not paying a ton of attention, but it was spring and we were 20ish. Anyway, time to find the car, which is right over . . . no? Maybe over there? Nope again. We hadn't gone more than a couple hundred yards from the car, but there were just enough dips and rises in the terrain that we walked within less than 50 yards of the car 4 or 5 times before we found it. It's a lot easier to get turned around than most people realise!
oh I keep one in my pack for sure, they weigh like maybe 2oz. Never needed one but good to know they do work. Still dont want to find out personally...
Used them on a couple occasions when backpacking in Colorado with their random weather generator.
Once back in my early 20's a friend and I got stuck in a storm that dumped about 4' of snow overnight and the temp dropped 15° under forecasted. We could see it coming, but not a damn thing we could do about it but bunker down, get a fire going and prepare to freeze. My sleeping bag was junk and I got cold fast, even with the fire going. I wrapped it in one of the mylar blankets and it got me through the night. I wasn't warm by any stretch, but it was a marked improvement.
We trudged our way out and got to the meeting spot where my buddies mom was supposed to pick us up a day and a half late.
Glad it turned out okay.
A few years back my hunting buddy and I came across a guy who was in a typical spot used for camping up in the hills. We didn't know it then, but his pickup wouldn't start. I don't think he knew it either. We didn't see anyone there at the time. Anyway 8 days later we were on the same road in the mountains checking our trail camera in the vicinity. The guy had pulled a small tree across the road and placed a bright red shirt on it. We stopped and he told us he hadn't seen anyone since we passed by last Tuesday. (This was the following Wednesday.) He had food and his pickup to sleep in, but he had recently had shoulder surgery and didn't feel up to walking down the road to a creek for water, in case he couldn't make it back up the hill. He was drinking the water from his cooler where the ice had melted. We gave him a bunch of drinks and got his pickup started, then checked on our way back to make sure he was gone (he was). If the location you were at when the guys waved and went on had some sort of road, maybe creating some sort of barrier in the road might help. Then again, if they were afraid or up to something nefarious, complications could arise.
My buddy and I have helped a few people who were stuck or had dead batteries over the years. We're not too worried about it because the two of us are ALWAYS packing pistols. I remember being by myself and coming across a guy holding a set up jumper cables. He looked a little sketch, but I was armed and younger, bigger and probably stronger than the guy. I definitely had my head on a swivel and was much more cautious than if my buddy had been along. He thanked me and told me five people had already driven past him before I stopped. The way things are today, I try not to judge others. If someone isn't comfortable stopping to provide aid, they could at least alert someone else to the situation.
My buddy and I were also the beneficiaries of someone else's goodwill when we spent a cool night in the mountains last February. After getting stuck, spending the night in the vehicle and walking six miles out the next morning, the second vehicle we waved at, backed up, turned around, and gave us a ride 25 miles into Oakridge where we could get cell phone reception. He didn't seem too worried. He said he couldn't leave fellow outdoorsmen in the lurch. I'm 63 and my buddy is 78, so we probably don't look all that scary.
A few years back my hunting buddy and I came across a guy who was in a typical spot used for camping up in the hills. We didn't know it then, but his pickup wouldn't start. I don't think he knew it either. We didn't see anyone there at the time. Anyway 8 days later we were on the same road in the mountains checking our trail camera in the vicinity. The guy had pulled a small tree across the road and placed a bright red shirt on it. We stopped and he told us he hadn't seen anyone since we passed by last Tuesday. (This was the following Wednesday.) He had food and his pickup to sleep in, but he had recently had shoulder surgery and didn't feel up to walking down the road to a creek for water, in case he couldn't make it back up the hill. He was drinking the water from his cooler where the ice had melted. We gave him a bunch of drinks and got his pickup started, then checked on our way back to make sure he was gone (he was). If the location you were at when the guys waved and went on had some sort of road, maybe creating some sort of barrier in the road might help. Then again, if they were afraid or up to something nefarious, complications could arise.
My buddy and I have helped a few people who were stuck or had dead batteries over the years. We're not too worried about it because the two of us are ALWAYS packing pistols. I remember being by myself and coming across a guy holding a set up jumper cables. He looked a little sketch, but I was armed and younger, bigger and probably stronger than the guy. I definitely had my head on a swivel and was much more cautious than if my buddy had been along. He thanked me and told me five people had already driven past him before I stopped. The way things are today, I try not to judge others. If someone isn't comfortable stopping to provide aid, they could at least alert someone else to the situation.
My buddy and I were also the beneficiaries of someone else's goodwill when we spent a cool night in the mountains last February. After getting stuck, spending the night in the vehicle and walking six miles out the next morning, the second vehicle we waved at, backed up, turned around, and gave us a ride 25 miles into Oakridge where we could get cell phone reception. He didn't seem too worried. He said he couldn't leave fellow outdoorsmen in the lurch. I'm 63 and my buddy is 78, so we probably don't look all that scary.
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Your thought processes were likely similar to Aleksandr Solzhenitsyn's in the Russian gulags. Will a book result?
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I guess it depends on how you tried to flag them down.
I've been turned around before and gotten totally lost. It's very difficult when the woods you're in look the same in all directions. It's particularly irritating when you think you've moved mostly in one direction, but you're actually doubled back, only now you're the other side of a ridge from your starting spot.
Because of that, for years and years now, I include a transit compass in my kit.
The nice thing about the cascades is that the predominant jet path is norh/south, so even at night, all you have to do is listen directionally with your hands cupped around your ears, and you can determine your general bearing.
I've been turned around before and gotten totally lost. It's very difficult when the woods you're in look the same in all directions. It's particularly irritating when you think you've moved mostly in one direction, but you're actually doubled back, only now you're the other side of a ridge from your starting spot.
Because of that, for years and years now, I include a transit compass in my kit.
The nice thing about the cascades is that the predominant jet path is norh/south, so even at night, all you have to do is listen directionally with your hands cupped around your ears, and you can determine your general bearing.
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Even though I seem to spend more time in the treestand on my own property, my hunting pants have a snap closed pocket with a compass in there. The compass only comes out when it's time to wash the pants. I always carry my small Streamlight and my Kershaw automatic.
Every time I hunt anywhere but my own property, I never leave the truck without my backpack, which is loaded with a few things. Extra gloves, map, bigger flashlight, fire starter, mylar blanket, GPS and spare batteries. Nothing but the GPS ever leaves that pack.
I used to hunt alone in the Salmon-Huckleberry Wilderness. Just the thought of spending the night without that pack scared the sh!t out of me.
I'm really glad the only thing you came out with was a good story, @357 MAX . Hopefully your story helps someone else.
Every time I hunt anywhere but my own property, I never leave the truck without my backpack, which is loaded with a few things. Extra gloves, map, bigger flashlight, fire starter, mylar blanket, GPS and spare batteries. Nothing but the GPS ever leaves that pack.
I used to hunt alone in the Salmon-Huckleberry Wilderness. Just the thought of spending the night without that pack scared the sh!t out of me.
I'm really glad the only thing you came out with was a good story, @357 MAX . Hopefully your story helps someone else.
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The inclination to offer and supply help can be a geographical thing. Around here (Portland/Washington County), especially in the populated areas, people are indifferent to each other for the most part. Won't look, talk or interact with anyone else, no matter what. Having been raised primarily in rural Western environments, this behavior stands out to me like a sore thumb, and I have difficulty with it.
In Montana and especially Alaska, all is entirely different. I was with my brother in suburban Wasilla, Alaska and he lifted the hood on his pickup to pour in a quart of oil at the grocery store parking lot.
Before he could get the quart out of the bottle and into the truck, no less than three people (one a woman with kids) asked If he needed a help, a ride, tools or all three.
...because they know next week it might be them needing help.
Sorry bustards around here NEED to get "lost in the woods" once or twice. For some of them, once would be my preference.
In Montana and especially Alaska, all is entirely different. I was with my brother in suburban Wasilla, Alaska and he lifted the hood on his pickup to pour in a quart of oil at the grocery store parking lot.
Before he could get the quart out of the bottle and into the truck, no less than three people (one a woman with kids) asked If he needed a help, a ride, tools or all three.
...because they know next week it might be them needing help.
Sorry bustards around here NEED to get "lost in the woods" once or twice. For some of them, once would be my preference.
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Glad you made it back safe and sound @357 MAX
Another vote for the carrying of a Mylar blanket...they do work well.
Maybe make a small belt bag with some gear that is always on your person when hunting..
A fire starting kit , Mylar blanket , first aid kit , flashlight , etc in it....
A little bigger bag may work for the carrying of some sort of "Bivy sack " and two poncho liners.
Mine followed me home from the Army...I have no doubt they are easy to find elsewhere.
This set up will keep you warm in the cold and wet.
Granted the above set up will need a bigger bag and take up more room.
Andy
Another vote for the carrying of a Mylar blanket...they do work well.
Maybe make a small belt bag with some gear that is always on your person when hunting..
A fire starting kit , Mylar blanket , first aid kit , flashlight , etc in it....
A little bigger bag may work for the carrying of some sort of "Bivy sack " and two poncho liners.
Mine followed me home from the Army...I have no doubt they are easy to find elsewhere.
This set up will keep you warm in the cold and wet.
Granted the above set up will need a bigger bag and take up more room.
Andy
I wouldn't have stopped, either. A random guy in the middle of nowhere coming out of the trees just after daybreak trying to stop me doesn't give me the warm and fuzzies. Looks like a textbook ambush to me.
You gotta try to see things from the other person's perspective when they don't go the way you would have liked.
You gotta try to see things from the other person's perspective when they don't go the way you would have liked.
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I was totally caught up in the moment, seeing elk, excitement from the hunt etc.i didn't stop to check if my pack had everything I needed, no water, biggest mistake. when I was hunting a long I could see the road from time to time so wasn't worried. but when I started back I could still see the road but when I dropped down to the road everything looked different. the road I was parked on was plowed the one I came out on was not. i'm sure I was dehydrated by then. the road I was on looked like a well used road with a cross road. I tried 4 directions they all seemed to peter out except 1. I was not thinking clearly by then. so logically thought down hill would be best way. I grew up in snow and cold in eastern Idaho. I have been trekking the back country all my life starting when I was 10 so inexperience was not a factor. I started hunting with my dad when I was 12 . I always liked the late season hunt with deep snow. more deer, good tracking snow etc. i am not going to stop anytime soon but will be better equipped next time.
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it was hunting season, every body was armed, an old gray haired dude in the middle of no where ,,,,,,,,,cmon man!
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Check out the pack, (non firearms)
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