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Ladies Magazine attacks 2A

Discussion in 'Legal & Political Archive' started by simon99, Dec 22, 2013.

  1. simon99

    simon99 Central Oregon Well-Known Member

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    On January 2, Vanity Fair ran an all-out attack on the constitution, the 2nd Amendment, and common sense in a column by Kurt Eichenwald titled, "Let's Repeal the Second Amendment."

    Eichenwald's approach consists of attacking the NRA, arguing that gun owners avoid discussing more gun control by saying they don't want to "politicize" shootings, and taking the standard progressive position that there wasn't really a right to keep and bear arms until Justice Antonin Scalia created one in recent Supreme Court decisions.

    One of his criticisms of the NRA is that they opposed forcing "states to submit mental-health records to FBI databases" following the Virginia Tech shooting. While this seems to have little, if anything, to do with the 2nd Amendment, Eichenwald said the submission of such records was "reasonable" and berated the NRA for pressing legislators to soften the requirement.

    Missing here is the fact that the NRA was not trying to find ways to put guns in the hands of the mentally ill -- as Eichenwald intimates they were -- rather, they were trying to be sure the government didn't get a new tool whereby they could flag a patient's record for reasons other than mental health, thereby denying him or her the right to keep and bear arms for life.

    Ironically, in early Dec. 2012, I wrote about Sen. Chuck Schumer's (D-NY) attempt to use mental health records to deny military vets their right to keep and bear arms. As that post made clear, Schumer's rules were so broad that a military vet having financial problems could find him or herself labeled "mentally incompetent," and therefore be denied the right to buy, possess, and/or use a firearm.

    This was the very thing the NRA was fighting against. Yet Eichenwald is twisting it to make it look like the NRA was fighting for the rights of the mentally ill to own guns.

    Regarding Scalia, Eichenwald criticizes his exposition of the amendment. He focuses on Scalia's statement that the 2nd Amendment could actually be worded, "Because a well regulated military is necessary to the security of a free state, the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed." But Scalia's version is simply a restatement of the original, with an emphasis on the meaning of specific phrases.

    Compare for yourself -- here's the original: "A well regulated military being necessary to the security of a free state, the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed."

    In the end, Eichenwald intertwines Scalia's grammatical approach to the 2nd Amendment with his own, and that of other commentators, in order to be able to say "the Second Amendment is an incomprehensible mess."

    This is a convenient tactic, is it not? Eichenwald muddies the water with linguistic twists and turns from various schools of thought, then puts them all together to make things as incongruent as possible, all in the name of getting rid of incongruency.

    The Vanity Fair piece has some glaring factual errors that some readers might miss because Eichenwald hides them in sarcasm. While I don't know if the errors are intentional, and therefore examples of purposefully misleading readers, I do know that they are big enough to be embarrassing to any thoughtful scholar or writer.

    For example, when Eichenwald talks about the word "arms" in the 2nd Amendment, he goes out of his way to say there is no historic support that this referred to weapons that were concealable or that there were even concealable weapons.

    In fact, he writes that the thought of "concealed weapons" was "largely impossible."

    I would advise Eichenwald and any other leftist who's thinking of writing such things to read Joyce Lee Malcolm's remarkable To Keep and Bear Arms: The Origins of an Anglo-American Right before they do. In that book, printed by Harvard in 1994, Malcolm traces the philosophy and practice of gun rights prior to the birth of the United States.

    Anyone who takes time to read that book will see the focus on "concealable weapons" that came into play in the 1600s, not only with the development of the "handgun" but also with the refinement of the crossbow.

    The bottom line: concealable weapons were very much within the purview of our Founding Fathers when they wrote and signed their names to the 2nd Amendment.
     
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  2. Stomper

    Stomper Oceania Rising White Is The New Brown Silver Supporter

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    There also was no internet, T.V., mechanized printing presses, xerox machines, telephones, radios, mass produced glossy print ladies' reading rags... So he has no protected rights to say such things, yes?
     
  3. Sstrand

    Sstrand La Grande OR Well-Known Member

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    Didn't the emperor and his joker both say their would be a move to limit the 2nd amendment after the 1st of the year.
    Vanity Fair is just the first volley.

    Remember what happened art Lexington AFTER the 1st volley??

    Sheldon
     
  4. 308

    308 ΜOΛΩΝ ΛΑΒΕ ΜOΛΩΝ ΛΑΒΕ Platinum Supporter Silver Supporter

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    Kurt Eichenwald...the guy writing for Lady's Magazine. I can understand him discussing the merits of anal reconstructive surgery for sure, but guns though?....Nope.
     
  5. Dunerunner

    Dunerunner You'll Never Know Well-Known Member

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    The Rally of the Provocateurs! Vanity Fair is a liberally guided rag that has no moral compass.
     
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  6. rick benjamin

    rick benjamin USA, Or, Damascus Secure the drama Silver Supporter 2016 Volunteer

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    I think folks are getting more concerned for their personal safety.
    They read and hear of violence against unarmed victims.

    I bought some studded tires at American Tire across from Curt's.
    Installer said his sister had an incident that very week (thanksgiving).
    She stopped for gas on mcloughlin before heading for work.
    Went into pay for gas. Then drove north heading into Portland.
    Was singing with the radio when she sensed she wasn't alone.
    Stopped at a red light, whipped out her gun.
    Found a young man laying on the floor of the back seat.
    He'd snuck in during the gas stop.
    "Don't shoot lady! I'm just a kid!"
    He got out and ran.

    Douglas Ridge Rifle Club hosts ladies defense shooting classes.
    Within an hour of opening a new class six months out, the roster is full, with dibs on cancelations.
    I watched a class on the range recently. They are shooting shilouette targets, 10 feet away, rapid fire.
    With intensity.
     
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  7. U201491

    U201491 Well-Known Member

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    Excellent analogy. Wouldn't that pizz em off.......
     
  8. AMProducts

    AMProducts Maple Valley, WA Jerk, Ammo Manufacturer Silver Supporter

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    Well, if you want to be historical, there was a mechanized printing press with movable type, and it had no small part to play in the american revolution a fact that was not lost on those that signed the constitution.

    It also seems many of the happenings early in the years of our republic go unnoticed by the agitators who wish to constrict rights, among the most grievous were the alien and sedition acts, two acts that severely limited free speech.

    Interestingly however, the term "arms" is well defined by current law, and under present expanded definitions includes everything from cryptography, and mathematics to nuclear weapons. Thus, if he wants to get all excited about "arms not meaning concealable firearms" agitating the other way for access to larger and more powerful weapons is certainly within the purview of 2A supporters.
     
  9. BAMCIS

    BAMCIS Eugene Well-Known Member

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    When I saw the title to this thread I thought "what makes a magazine male or female? I have quite a few. They are either metal or metal and plastic and I never thought of them being male or female". So I checked to see what this thread was all about.

    I have a hard time following a liberal's logic. We have to give up our names to buy a gun, but not to vote. They want size restrictions on magazines, but if you were to try to limit the NY Times to say ten pages there would be hell to pay. I like to think of myself as having an open mind, but it's not so open that my brains have fallen out.
     
  10. Blitzkrieg

    Blitzkrieg WA Well-Known Member

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    Our enemies have to do something, women are the fastest growing part of the shooting community
     
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  11. rufus

    rufus State of Jefferson Well-Known Member

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    I wonder how Vanity Fair subscribers would react to an article in Guns & Ammo titled "Let's Repeal the Nineteenth Amendment". I'm sure we, as men, could justify it just as well or better as they try to justify repealing the 2nd. Just saying. And no, I do not want to repeal the 19th.
     
  12. simon99

    simon99 Central Oregon Well-Known Member

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    No doubt Blitz......My wife, in the last 5 years, has ( all on her own) got her CCW, purchased 3 handguns including her EDC, bought 2 rifles including an AR. Now she wants to start competing and study martial arts as well. Pretty sweet for a 5' 1" 105 lb. office gal that wears high heels and carries a Coach bag ( with a sneaky Pete holster inside) to work everyday, huh?
    Makes me proud!
     
  13. rufus

    rufus State of Jefferson Well-Known Member

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    Sorry for the drift but it's good for a laugh...

    [video=youtube;c1J8uX9_-Bg]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c1J8uX9_-Bg[/video]

    As you were.
     
  14. Blitzkrieg

    Blitzkrieg WA Well-Known Member

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    My pretty little blonde wife has packed a gun since 1981
     
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  15. BigBull 301

    BigBull 301 PDX almost Well-Known Member

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    Kurt Eichenwald.......sounds like he comes from a long line of................Nazis
     
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    U201494 Well-Known Member

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    gun article on one page, summers eve ad on the next page. fits ole kurtsy perfect i'm sure.
     
  17. revjen45

    revjen45 Snohomish County Well-Known Member

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    I'm all for ending womens' suffrage too. Just don't tell my wife.
     
  18. Blitzkrieg

    Blitzkrieg WA Well-Known Member

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    My wife lets me vote for her. She is very well informed and intelligent as well. Take that, feminists
     
  19. Audrey

    Audrey Willamette Valley Active Member

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    Being 105 pounds and blond with a name brand bag are important for being woman, right? Ugh.

    Women's magazines are often very, very wrong. They're rife with misinformation on all fronts!
     
  20. Blitzkrieg

    Blitzkrieg WA Well-Known Member

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    Yep they headed to Concord where one of my ancestors led the 2nd charge that broke the Redcoat ranks and sent them into a 60 mile retreat under fire, and at the end the Brits were out of ammo and still taking fire :cool: