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Kar98k

Discussion in 'Rifle Discussion' started by jordanka16, Oct 2, 2009.

  1. jordanka16

    jordanka16 Albany, OR Active Member

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    I don't know very much about these, apart from the fact that i want one, and have seen prices range from 100 to 1500. What can I expect in the price range of 250-300?

    What should I look for in terms of markings or the condition of the rifle?

    Thanks for any help guys.
     
  2. dario541

    dario541 medford, or 97504 Member

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    Try to get one that was made in Germany before 1943. They were as well made as commercial sporters at that time. After 1943 the war started going badly for the Germans and they started cheapening out on the product. They also used slave labor for assembling the guns. The Model 98 Mauser action is THE ONE that most all subsequent bolt actions have copied. Afetr all, how do you improve on the best? I have seen them advertised in Shotgun News for $200 to $300. Make sure the bores are good because the ammo used in those days was usually corrosive. I have one that has a bore that looks like new.
    There are also a number of after market parts available for these guns and J&G sales (and a few others) have low priced 8MM ammo for practice and good quality ammo for hunting. Never forget to clean it after shooting because a clean gun is "man's best friend"! A gunsmith can also install barrels in other calibers such as .308, 30-06, .270 and many others.
     
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    raindog Portland, OR Active Member

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    You might want to also ask in a more specialized forum, such as http://www.surplusrifleforum.com
     
  4. jordanka16

    jordanka16 Albany, OR Active Member

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    Thanks for the help guys, that other forum is pretty nice, i've found some more info on them. It looks like for my price range i'll need a Russian Capture Kar98k, I don't intend to sporterize it or hunt with it, and I want to keep it in 8mm caliber. I put up an ad here, do you guys know any place local that has any?
     
  5. MountainBear

    MountainBear Sweet Home, OR Well-Known Member

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    Try to avoid guns made in factories that employed slave or forced labor. There is a three letter manufacturers code on most of the guns. Look them up and try to stick with the guns made in Germany and like was said before, 1943 or before.
     
  6. BSG 75

    BSG 75 Oregon Well-Known Member

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    In the $250-300 price range you can expect Russian Capture (RC) rifles that were captured by the Soviets, disassembled into parts, stocks sanded and shellaced, metal parts refinished, then reassembled with a random mix of parts from different rifles, manufacturers, and years.

    The heavily-advertised Mitchell Mausers are Russian Capture rifles that have been refinished again, stocks sanded blonde, bolt polished non-original in the white, and new "matching numbers" stamped. Most collectors avoid them, although they are fine as shooters with no collector value.

    If you save up more money, in the $500-700 range you can find a mostly matching Kar98k that has not gotten the Soviet treatment. It might have a non-matching number bolt, or some other non-matching parts, but it is otherwise un-messed with. Many are vet bringbacks. They cost more but they have much more German in appearance and have more collector value.

    If you just want a shooter, a RC will do. If you want something with more collector value save up a little more and get a bolt-mismatch gun like this http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewItem.asp?Item=139191985
     
  7. jordanka16

    jordanka16 Albany, OR Active Member

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    I am just looking for a shooter, I do not have the resources or time to collect yet. The most important things to me really, are that it be safe to shoot, and have a good bore. The outside looks and stamps are unimportant. I have not actually seen any RC guns in person, does anyone know what kind of bores they have on average?
     
  8. BSG 75

    BSG 75 Oregon Well-Known Member

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    Bore condition varies, so you should check them out in person if you can. There were usually several for sale at the Portland gun shows last year, but the supply has dried up, same story with the online sellers. Check your local gun stores and gun shows.
     
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    jordanka16 Albany, OR Active Member

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    I went to both the Portland gun show and the Albany one, and didn't see a single Kar98. Ditto with Philomath gun shop and corvallis gun shop. I even have an ad up here and haven't gotten a single reply.
     
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    BSG 75 Oregon Well-Known Member

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  11. jordanka16

    jordanka16 Albany, OR Active Member

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    If it comes to it, I will buy one online. I strongly prefer to see them in person though, which is why I haven't already purchased one online.

    That first auction looks pretty good, if the price hasn't gone too high I might have to bid on it. It's a J.P. Sauer & Sohn if i'm not mistaken, and '37 seems like it would be a high quality rifle.
     
  12. Phillyfan

    Phillyfan Oregon City, Oregon Bronze Supporter Bronze Supporter

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    I have a sporterized k98 in .270 win. The action was made in 1943, and has the cool swastika with the eagle. Just had it completly restored last year. Floated the barrel, glass bedded it, sanded and refinished the stock, and bead blasted and cerakoted every single part. Sighted it in for deer hunting this year and it shot half inch groups off sand bags. Took a 3x2 at 357 yards shooting across a canyon, dropped wear it was hit. Love, Love, Love this gun!!!! Not worth much money, but wouldn't trade it for anything.