Is your EDC a Sig P365?

[Proud_Patriot]

Mcarbo trigger and spring kit is the way. At least it was for me.

How much does this mod cost? Easy to do at home?

 

[Proud_Patriot]

I typically conceal carry a 1911 but have always been on the search for the "perfect' CC option on the occasions that call for it. This has been an ongoing search for 40 years.

During those 40 years I've collected everything from a S&W 60 to Kahr PM9, to Keltec, to just about everything else at one time or other.

Ran across the P365 in late 2019 and the search is over. Completely replaces every other small CC pistol I have ever owned. I don't pants pocket carry as I live where I can comfortably wear at least a vest.

The 365 drops in a jacket pocket with ease. So much so that I usually carry it in addition to the 1911. With my hands in the pocket, (normal for me,) I can draw and fire measurably faster than the 1911. It comes to point like I was born with it and they all shoot way better than you would imagine given their diminutive size.

I have 3 of them now, all set up the same with the left side only safety installed. I also have the XL with a rmr for holster carry. There have been a few "personal" mods that I won't get into here.

All 4 have proven to be 100% reliable over a very wide range of factory ammo and my own reloads. While I still keep an ear out for newer designs, I seriously doubt there will be better in the time I have left.

I'm really interested in finding out for myself. I wish more guns had manual decockers, but I'm pretty new to EDC. I've been carrying a CHUNKY Beretta PX4 Storm for like 10 years! I just recently held a 365 XMacro at a store and got excited!

 

[Proud_Patriot]

You asked for opinions and I gave mine. We don't have to agree and I hope it works well for you! I knew I would catch flack and be labeled as an Sig-hater. That's ok.

I've never seen any issues first hand with the P365 (I owned the XMacro for a short period of time) but I have witnessed a trigger go completely dead on a P320 Spectre Comp.

It all may be internet nonsense but it's enough for me to keep my distance.

Do you recommend the XMacro? Or did you find something better?

 

[orygun]

My EDC has been the Beretta PX4 Storm. I'm ready to downsize. How does the 365 compare to Hellcat Pro? Or Canik Mete MC9 Prime?
I heard the internals of the 365 can fit into a 365X frame, or an Icarus frame. I think it's VERY awesome to have those mod options, and I'm leaning more towards purchasing a 365 myself now. What do you think?

I have a 365 with optic and mags for sale in the classifieds if you're looking for a package deal.
It was my EDC since November, but it didn't work out like I'd hoped.
I went back to a 1911. Yeah, it's a tank, but it carries better for me.

 

[spookshack]

How much does this mod cost? Easy to do at home?

Around $100. I'd say difficulty level is moderate. The fire control group (FCU) is small with small parts. I'm busy at the moment, but I'll post some links a bit later to some Youtube videos of folks that know what they're doing with regard to assembly disassembly of the 365. Watch them several times and get familiar with the steps involved and identifying all of the parts. Lastly, I like use my phone to take a photos of each step as I go, so that I have a reference point to refer back to should I miss something, etc.

Here is a link to the trigger and spring kit.

Sig Sauer P365 Accessories & Upgrades | XL, SAS & X-Macro Compatible | M*CARBO

Upgrade your Sig P365, XL, SAS, or X-Macro with M*CARBO parts. Fix primer drag and trigger issues while enhancing accuracy and reliability. All accessories are proudly made in the USA by veterans.

www.mcarbo.com

Also, probably best to just shoot the P365 as is (should you decide to get one) and see how you like it before going down the rabbit hole and buying a bunch of aftermarket parts for it.

View: https://youtu.be/fV4UFjgPx3Q?si=69OFzDkZ_yWDKTNr

View: https://youtu.be/tWZMzN8Nlzs?si=vD7NMrHwBkKGAo-2

View: https://youtu.be/EvkVTwDp8ng?si=GvFz4d5LV2Wu2aAR

View: https://youtu.be/HOyZAwvXGkw?si=MlD5Ay4zek7ncY1J

View: https://youtu.be/wnSRXDGudbA?si=KbjgZgVgiiXdjhh-

 

[orygun]

Also, probably best to just shoot the P365 as is (should you decide to get one) and see how you like it before going down the rabbit hole and buying a bunch of aftermarket parts for it.

But, but, but....

I see this all of the time from Motorcycles, cars and guns. Gotta get "x", cuz it will be "so much betterer".

 

[spookshack]

I too switched to a 1911 for edc, but the 365 I built out, was what I used before the switch.

 

[orygun]

I too switched to a 1911 for edc, but the 365 I built out, was what I used before the switch.

Fortunately, I made the decision before I did anything like that. I had only added an optic and the mags to the package.

 

[nammac]

Sig P365 makes a great alternative to many midsized 9mm's, in my humble opinion. The 365, 12 round mags with MagGuts +2 internals brings it to a highly respectable 14+1 in a very compact package. Consider all the aftermarket support and a portable fire control unit, just makes sense.

P365 with MagGuts +2 in place.
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[Dirty Cary]

But, but, but....

I see this all of the time from Motorcycles, cars and guns. Gotta get "x", cuz it will be "so much betterer".

I have that issue, motorcycle, car, guns and even bicycles Lol.

 

[1775usmc]

Do you recommend the XMacro? Or did you find something better?

I don't buy SIG products anymore. At all. If I carry a polymer gun it will only be a Glock. I recently swapped and carry a revolver though.

 

[Proud_Patriot]

I've tried the 365, the 365X, and the 365 X MACRO - sold all of them. I bought the 365 on initial release and while it felt nice in the hand and carried well, I thought it was super uncomfortable to shoot. When the 365X came out, I figured that would fix my issues I had with the initial 365. This wound up being the model of 365 I carried for the longest, maybe a year or a little more? When the X MACRO came out I traded the 365X for that. On my initial range trip, the X MACRO had a catastrophic failure approximately 50 rounds in. The trigger was totally dead and unresponsive. I had to send it back to Sig for repair and they fixed it at no cost. Apparently some sort of faulty trigger springs were installed and that resulted in the trigger dying ~50 rounds in. I sold the gun after that because I bought it with the intention of it being a carry gun. I no longer could trust the platform if a gun new from the factory shat the bed like that. I went back to carrying Glock for semi-auto handguns and Smith & Wesson for revolvers.

I don't buy SIG products anymore. At all. If I carry a polymer gun it will only be a Glock. I recently swapped and carry a revolver though.

What are the carry benefits of revolvers that I am overlooking? Or most people in general?

 

[bpyycpyy]

Do you recommend the XMacro? Or did you find something better?

This is the trigger I installed into mine (https://www.tyrantcnc.com/sig-sauer-p365-intellifiretm-trigger.html). I bought my P365 intentionally without the safety so I like the fact that this adds that the trigger blade needs to be depressed for the trigger to actually move. It does add a much better break and audible reset over the factory MIM trigger (plus this is CNC). I also installed a spring kit that wasn't M*Carbo but similar. Sig Guy has a spring kit too (https://www.sigguy.com/products/sig-guy-p365-duty-weight-upgrade) along with handy tools to assist in working on the FCU. I consider myself pretty mechanically competent but did get pretty frustrated with reassembly on some of the FCU parts (especially how the safety has to catch into a little notch to hold the entire thing together). The Sig Guy has some good videos of the entire disassembly/reassembly process.
I will suggest the Magguts magazine parts (https://magguts.com/product-category/sig-sauer/p365/)

View: https://youtu.be/jxK_0vQCw9g?si=sVEAlgVhPQyjBxgH


I also installed that same style of trigger in two M&P's (https://www.tyrantcnc.com/s-w-m-p-1-0-2-0-trigger.html)

 

[spookshack]

Sig Guy's 365 specific tools are very helpful.

 

[orygun]

What are the carry benefits of revolvers that I am overlooking? Or most people in general?

STOMPIN POWAH!

I usually save that for the 45ACP when debating with the 9mm lovers. It's not entirely true, but it's funny.
In regards to your question, @Proud_Patriot , though it's got some truth to it. If I'm carrying a revolver it's usually a D/A in 357. That's some serious thump and I can shoot it well. Revolvers aren't foolproof, but I like the simplicity and super consistent trigger.
Most people have gotten all hung up on capacity, but civilian defensive use of handguns shows that's not as likely to be needed as many people are led to believe.

But, you do you and carry/shoot what you like.

I found it funny that @1775usmc was switching to a DA revolver about the same time I went with a small, hi capacity 9mm. After a stroll down that lane, I switched back away from the 9mm gun. Just wasn't what I was looking for.

 

[1775usmc]

What are the carry benefits of revolvers that I am overlooking? Or most people in general?

If I get in an altercation it will more than likely be within touching distance. I will always run away if I can. With that said I like a gun that can still shoot when pressed into something. I also like a longer pull. That way I can back off if I need to. It's also is less likely to get discharged than a striker fired gun in a hands on altercation if the gun gets drawn. I carried a Glock for almost 20 years and it's just a mentality shift. I don't care about capacity any more. Revolvers have a more ergonomic shape too and conceal much better and are more comfortable for me personally.

On top of that - I will catch flack for this and I don't care. I go up into Washington on a regular basis and I don't want to deal with the mag laws. And on top of that if I ever am forced to use it I know I am going to be judged by a group of peers. Not everyone is into guns and a revolver is much less threatening in appearance than a black auto or something that is all raced out. I shouldn't have to take those things into account but due to the world I live in, especially being on the liberal left coast I try to stack the cards in my favor.

The likelihood of ever needing a gun is very minimal. The chance of needing more than 6 rounds is even smaller statistically speaking.

View: https://youtube.com/shorts/RivxKlerxis?si=MzOnFmYHmhJmfnfh

 

[nammac]

If I get in an altercation it will more than likely be within touching distance. I will always run away if I can. With that said I like a gun that can still shoot when pressed into something. I also like a longer pull. That way I can back off if I need to. It's also is less likely to get discharged than a striker fired gun in a hands on altercation if the gun gets drawn. I carried a Glock for almost 20 years and it's just a mentality shift. I don't care about capacity any more. Revolvers have a more ergonomic shape too and conceal much better and are more comfortable for me personally.

On top of that - I will catch flack for this and I don't care. I go up into Washington on a regular basis and I don't want to deal with the mag laws. And on top of that if I ever am forced to use it I know I am going to be judged by a group of peers. Not everyone is into guns and a revolver is much less threatening in appearance than a black auto or something that is all raced out. I shouldn't have to take those things into account but due to the world I live in, especially being on the liberal left coast I try to stack the cards in my favor.

The likelihood of ever needing a gun is very minimal. The chance of needing more than 6 rounds is even smaller statistically speaking.

View: https://youtube.com/shorts/RivxKlerxis?si=MzOnFmYHmhJmfnfh

^This, exactly this. I can carry a revolver and never need to worry about magazine capacity bs. I'll take my chances in an armed confrontation that I won't need more than a few shots. If I need more than the speed loaders are carried weak side pocket.

And I also find a small frame revolver easily carried, it's a constant companion.

 

[Hotdog 7]

What are the carry benefits of revolvers that I am overlooking? Or most people in general?

Other users already covered the simplicity of the system so I won't get too far into the weeds on it, but the closed system is one of the redeeming factors of a revolver. It really only has two things the operator needs to know how to do - pull the trigger and actuate the cylinder release. With semi-autos you need aware of the magazine, slide battery, controlling various external safeties (grip, trigger, thumb, etc), and ammunition impulse making the system cycle. There's a lot of little things with semi-autos that can make them difficult to operate for inexperienced shooters. Those of us on this forum likely take for granted our knowledge of understanding all the pieces that make a semi-auto function. It can be quite overwhelming for people new to guns.

One of the things that turned me on to revolvers was something an old cop buddy told me years ago. He basically said "Look, do you think a jury in Multnomah County is going to be sympathetic when the prosecutor shows them your tricked out duty handgun you're carrying?" He basically said that he felt a jury in Portland would be scared of a modern handgun and their emotions would impact their ability to determine a reasonable verdict. A Glock 19 w/ Ramjet, Trijicon RMR, and TLR7 is going to be highly unusual for most members of that jury. It was his thoughts that a revolver is familiar, even to non-gun people. It doesn't elicit the same emotional response to non-gun people like the Glock 19 I described above might. Its not a scary black pistol. Its something their grandpa carried when taking lots of money to the bank. Its what the cabby carries in the glovebox of his cab. The revolver illicit an image of the working class joe to people who don't know anything about guns. That conversation didn't cement my decision to start carrying a revolver, but it got the wheels turning and I eventually bought one upon researching the other benefits.

All these years later... I think he was right. He said this just prior to the Mike Strickland situation in 2016, and we all know what happened to him. He didn't even fire a shot and now he is a convicted felon. I don't feel like the scales have magically tipped in our favor since that time, in fact they're probably tilted even more against us. His line of thinking I hear commonly applied to AR15 vs shotguns for home defense, esspecially in anti-2A jurisdictions. Besides him, I haven't ever seen it applied to carry guns. I think the argument has some merit if you live in a place like Portland or Seattle and carry there.

 

[OR Highlander]

I spent three days down in Lakeview running a few P320s and several P365s. One of the P365s had some cycling issues with an aftermarket barrel installed. Switched it back to the factory barrel and the gun went right back to training without drama, so I am not putting that one on the P365 itself.

I currently have two P365s in rotation depending on how I am concealing that day, and I still think the platform does a lot of things very well. Size, capacity, shootability, modularity, holster support, magazine options, aftermarket support, all of that is hard to ignore. For a small carry gun, the P365 makes a very strong argument for itself.

That said, I have recently found myself thinking more about my J and K frames again for EDC. Specifically, the Model 60 and Model 66 keep coming back to mind.

Part of that is probably from reading 1775usmc's posts. For someone who apparently has strong opinions on Crayola flavors, I find myself agreeing with a lot of his revolver logic.

The more I think about realistic defensive distance, contact-distance problems, concealment, comfort, and the simplicity of a good DA revolver, the more the revolver starts making sense again. Not as some magical answer, and not because revolvers cannot fail, but because they solve some problems differently than a small striker-fired auto.

A J-frame like the Model 60 carries differently than a small auto. It has a shape that hides well, it is comfortable in ways a squared-off slide sometimes is not, and the long DA pull has its own appeal for a carry gun. A K-frame like the Model 66 obviously gives up some concealability, but it also brings shootability, better grip, better sights, and .357 capability if someone wants that option.

I am not selling off my P365s or declaring revolvers superior. Capacity, reload speed, and ease of shooting under stress still matter. But I do think I may have undervalued the revolver after getting used to the convenience of small high-capacity autos.

At this point, I am looking at it less as "P365 versus revolver" and more as "which tool makes the most sense for the day, clothing, environment, and likely problem." For some days, that may still be the P365. For others, I can see the Model 60 or Model 66 making a lot of sense.

 

[64MercurysRule]

I do find it ironic that there are some who are going to revolvers as EDC now that bashed others at one time as not being smart , but are enlightened now ...... funny how that works . Old becomes new again . Go Figure .