Interesting Ukraine battlefield pick-up.

[RedRover]

Here's a Ukraine battlefield pick-up that I recently saw a few weeks ago. It's a type not seen around these parts too much.

VSS(Special Sniper Rifle) Vintorez



Manufactured by Tula, it fires the 9x39mm subsonic cartridge. It's got an integral suppressor and a PSO-1M2 4X24 scope mounted.
The action is akin to that of AK-type rifles; a similar long-stroke gas system with the piston located above the barrel.
The Vintorez design characteristically uses a rotating bolt with six locking lugs and a milled steel receiver.

Also shown are a couple mags with what appears to be some black tipped and blue-tipped SP-6(7N9) armor piercing bullets.

I would be curious as to how this round (245gr-276gr bullet) matches up ballistics wise with the .300 Blackout subsonic.

If anyone has more information on the VSS Vintorez/the 9x39mm cartridge, or feel free to post other interesting Soviet Era firearms/cartridges in this thread.

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[kukusya]

Silent KGB S-4 derringer USSR era using special ammo 762x39

 

[Hueco]

Probably the only one to exist in the US...and it's not even Russian:

 

[VinnieBoomBah]

Probably the only one to exist in the US...and it's not even Russian:

The irony of that for me is that the one they are shooting in the video is almost certainly better at suppressing the shot Vs the Russian original but because it's not the original I don't care, like . . . at all

 

[RedRover]

Here's a modern variation (also a recent battlefield pick-up).

The VSS-M (GRAU Index: 6P29M) is a Russian suppressed marksman rifle developed from the VSS. The VSS-M comes equipped with the 1P86 Holographic Sight mounted on a NAR-compatible dust cover.

The VSS-M primarily differs from the VSS in the fact it uses the STANAG 4694 NATO Accessory Rail (NAR) instead of the Warsaw Pact Rail to mount optics. The NAR is also mounted just forward of the original hand-guard.

Period Produced
2018 - Present

 

[PORSCHE928S4]

Subsonic + armor piercing ? Hmmmmmm more wadka please

 

[RedRover]

Subsonic + armor piercing ? Hmmmmmm more wadka please

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(Translated from Russian)

Cartridges SP-5 (with a sniper bullet) and SP-6 (respectively with an armor-piercing bullet) were developed in the early 80s by TSNIITOCHMASH for firing from a VSS ("Vintorez") sniper rifle and an AS ("Val") assault rifle. These cartridges were produced by the Klimovsky stamping plant. Later, for these ammunition, the Design Bureau of Instrument Engineering in the city of Tula developed a 9 mm VSK-94 sniper rifle and a 9A91 assault rifle.

Sometimes 20 meters of effective range is not enough at all, and you can't make noise. At medium distances (up to 300-400 meters), the gas cut-off scheme, as in SP-3 and SP-4, becomes unacceptable, and only the "subsonic cartridge + silencer" scheme can work here. In the USSR, based on the standard 7.62x39 mm cartridge, the "US" (reduced velocity) cartridge with a heavy 12-gram bullet was created. This cartridge was intended for use in AKM with PBS (Silent Shooting Device, it is also a silencer).

On the basis of this cartridge in the 80s, cartridges SP-5 and SP-6 of 9mm caliber were developed. The sleeve of these cartridges is a cartridge case from a 7.62x39mm cartridge, with a muzzle redesigned for a 9mm bullet. The SP-5 cartridge is a sniper cartridge, that is, it is made with high precision and has a 16-gram jacketed bullet with a steel core surrounded by lead. The SP-6 cartridge is an "assault" cartridge and is designed to hit targets hiding in cars or protected by bulletproof vests. Bullet SP-6 has a mass of 16.2 grams and hardened steel core. In the head of the bullet, the core protrudes from under the shell of the bullet (that is, the bullet is semi-shell).

The bullet speed of both cartridges when firing from a special VSS "Vintorez" sniper rifle or special. automatic machine AS "Val" is 280-300 m / s. Muzzle energy is about 600-700 J, which is about twice as high as the muzzle energy of a 9mm NATO cartridge bullet fired from the popular Heckler-Koch MR-5SD submachine gun. The bullet of the SP-6 cartridge and its later and cheaper modification PAB-9 (bullet weight 17 grams) is capable of penetrating 8mm steel sheet at a distance of 100m or hitting a target, protected by bulletproof vest 2-3 protection class at 300-400 meters. By the way, attempts to replace the SP-5 and SP-6 cartridges with the widely advertised PAB-9 cartridge were reduced to the supply of several batches of "pubs" to the Internal Troops, which are currently prohibited for use.​

.300 Blackout vs. 9x39mm: Russia's Subsonic Brute [Modern Intermediate Calibers 026.1] -

Today’s Modern Intermediate Calibers will handle something a little different. While virtually all rounds we have looked at so far were designed primarily for supersonic use, today we will be taking a gander at the Russian 9x39mm round – a dedicated suppressed caliber designed exclusively for...

www.thefirearmblog.com

The 9x39mm fires a projectile containing a massive hardened steel core that by itself weighs as much as a .30-06 rifle bullet. This allows the 9x39mm to punch through barriers like steel and body armor that would defeat the .300 Blackout (although the Blackout itself does have a surprising degree effect on very light pistol body armors).

The SP-6 projectile, for example, is rated to defeat GOST Class 3 armor, which is a Russian armor class in-between NIJ Level IIIA and Level III, which is rated to stop 7.62×39 M43 and 5.45×39 7N6. Also, it is reported to be able to defeat 8mm of RHA steel at 100 meters with enough energy to maintain a lethal wound track, something .300 Blackout OTMs certainly cannot do.

Although it is possible that a similar design of steel-cored bullet could be created for the .300 Blackout, such a projectile would have to be much lighter than the 220gr OTM used in this example, which would by necessity mean the muzzle energy and retained energy would be significantly lower than shown here.

 

[JuglansRegia]

Tungsten weighs 1.7 times lead, so a tungsten core .308 projectile could easily be made 220gr or more and still be able to work in 300blk

 

[AshWilliams]

Here's a Ukraine battlefield pick-up that I recently saw a few weeks ago. It's a type not seen around these parts too much.

VSS(Special Sniper Rifle) Vintorez

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Manufactured by Tula, it fires the 9x39mm subsonic cartridge. It's got an integral suppressor and a PSO-1M2 4X24 scope mounted.
The action is akin to that of AK-type rifles; a similar long-stroke gas system with the piston located above the barrel.
The Vintorez design characteristically uses a rotating bolt with six locking lugs and a milled steel receiver.

Also shown are a couple mags with what appears to be some black tipped and blue-tipped SP-6(7N9) armor piercing bullets.

I would be curious as to how this round (245gr-276gr bullet) matches up ballistics wise with the .300 Blackout subsonic.

If anyone has more information on the VSS Vintorez/the 9x39mm cartridge, or feel free to post other interesting Soviet Era firearms/cartridges in this thread.

One of my favorite weapons in Player Unknown's Battlegrounds (PUBG).

 

[CountryGent]

The latest Firearms News has an article on these, should one be so interested.

 

[RedRover]

Here's another firearm still finding use in Ukraine.

The circular pan-magazine looks pretty cool, and I'm sure it's a hoot to shoot. But I'd still take a belt-fed 'all-day, every-day' over this relic.

I imagine loading the mags must be a PIA. It also appears like it would dent and become inoperable if one simply looked at it funny.

DP-27 (Degtyaryov machine gun)

https://twitter.com/x/status/1522499577378656258

 

[HelloKitty187]

Warning NSFW!

Azov Battalion Ukrainian Soldier got his wig split by a Russian FSB trained Sniper using the aforementioned 9X39 VSS-M.

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Spoiler: You weirdo.

 

[FJ40Bruiser]

Warning NSFW!

Azov Battalion Ukrainian Soldier got his wig split by a Russian FSB trained Sniper using the aforementioned 9X39 VSS-M.

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Oh my Lorty Lort

 

[American123]

Warning NSFW!

Azov Battalion Ukrainian Soldier got his wig split by a Russian FSB trained Sniper using the aforementioned 9X39 VSS-M.

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I think I see what the problem is. His brain is sitting on the ground instead of being in his head.

 

[arakboss]

Warning NSFW!

Azov Battalion Ukrainian Soldier got his wig split by a Russian FSB trained Sniper using the aforementioned 9X39 VSS-M.

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He said to his wife: "I am going to fight the Russians.

His wife replied: "Are you losing your mind?"

 

[American123]

What are we even looking at in that last photo?

 

[The Heretic]

I've seen worse; I saw a kid run between a pickup and the trailer it was towing on Hwy 101, get his head split open down to his brain.

Fortunately, he lived.

 

[CamoDeafie]

I've seen worse; I saw a kid run between a pickup and the trailer it was towing on Hwy 101, get his head split open down to his brain.

Fortunately, he lived.

Is he a mayor of somewhere now?

 

[The Heretic]

Is he a mayor of somewhere now?

I don't know. Maybe. It was 40+ years ago in Newport, and I gave first aid (just supplied a blanket really) until the ETs could arrive. The only time I ever made it into the newspapers - I was on my way to the lighthouse to do maintenance.

 

[arakboss]

Is he a mayor of somewhere now?

Portland.