Poll: Hypothetical CCP Removal Question

[RVTECH]

I am in a discussion on another forum about CCP removal and would like some opinions to offer on it so my question is:

IF (hypothetically) your state were to put up for a general election the question: 'Do you agree to the removal of the current CCP requirement with a new law that will require an X amount of hour safety & law course to complete before one can purchase a HANDGUN?' - how would you vote.

First poll so please bear with me!

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[TTSX]

Like a permit to purchase? Absolutely not.

 

[RVTECH]

Like a permit to purchase? Absolutely not.

No, not a permit. read this part of my question.

an X amount of hour safety & law course to complete before one can purchase a HANDGUN?'

 

[oremike]

I don't see that requirement in the constitution.

 

[RVTECH]

I don't see that requirement in the constitution.

I don't see CCP permit requirements in it either but this is just a HYPOTHETICAL question is all......

 

[Member 53328]

Yea. No.

 

[Heyjoe]

No. No bonds. No levies. No new legislation whatsoever. End of story.

EVERYTHING our dear leaders touch only strips us of out rights further. I'm tired of it.

 

[GrayGoose]

...Shall not be infringed. period!!!
Absolutely NO

 

[TTSX]

No, not a permit. read this part of my question.

an X amount of hour safety & law course to complete before one can purchase a HANDGUN?'

That reads like a permit class to me. So a permit to purchase.

 

[Stomper]

Yea. No.

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So… have the likes of this putz legislating the parameters granting me permission to "purchase" a firearm?



I'll just stick to my current modus operandi….

 

[RVTECH]

That reads like a permit class to me. So a permit to purchase.

Well, you are 'reading' too much into this. No thumbprint required, and nothing else but a course completion - not unlike a 'Hunter's Safety' class requirement to purchase a hunting license.

I would appreciate everyone just reading the question and voting in the poll.

 

[Koda]

Well, you are 'reading' too much into this. No thumbprint required, and nothing else but a course completion - not unlike a 'Hunter's Safety' class requirement to purchase a hunting license.

youd have to prove the course completion, essentially the same thing as a permit to purchase.

Your original post is a bit vague and confusing... to me... it says to give up a CCP (Im assuming this is the same as a Concealed Carry Permit) in exchange for being able to buy a handgun without a background check (ie, registration) if you get a certificate that you passed a gun class of some kind (another wide open question). So for me, the answer is no... I would not want to give up the ability to lawfully carry in exchange for the ability to buy without a background check. Sounds like a net loss of rights to me.

 

[RVTECH]

Your original post is a bit vague and confusing... to me

Your response is equally vague and confusing and the last part, I would not want to give up the ability to lawfully carry in exchange for the ability to buy without a background check. Sounds like a net loss of rights to me. - makes no sense as well so I will rephrase this to be as understandable as possible:

Would YOU agree to the STATE removing the Concealed Carry Permit requirement, to allow anyone who is legally able to possess a handgun, to carry concealed, in EXCHANGE for a requirement of an X amount of hour safety & law course to complete before one can purchase a HANDGUN, which includes all current background check requirements' ?

 

[PNW Pineapple]

No, not a permit. read this part of my question.

an X amount of hour safety & law course to complete before one can purchase a HANDGUN?'

Hawaii already does that. You need to take a hunter safety course or get a gun safety course that is offered at some gun shops

 

[Koda]

Your response is equally vague and confusing and the last part, I would not want to give up the ability to lawfully carry in exchange for the ability to buy without a background check. Sounds like a net loss of rights to me. - makes no sense as well so I will rephrase this to be as understandable as possible:

Would YOU agree to the STATE removing the Concealed Carry Permit requirement, to allow anyone who is legally able to possess a handgun, to carry concealed, in EXCHANGE for a requirement of an X amount of hour safety & law course to complete before one can purchase a HANDGUN, which includes all current background check requirements' ?

still confusing but if its what I think your trying to say then yes I would agree.

it would depend of if there was a test, cost and time of the class of course, but its essentially a permit to buy a gun without a background check which would also allow you to carry concealed (and open?).

 

[Member 3687]

For me I live in a constitutional carry state so no permit required and the state does not require I get its permission to buy a gun, just the federal government and only from an FFL so my answer is,

Not only no but Heck no!

 

[RVTECH]

but its essentially a permit to buy a gun without a background check

One more time - please read what I posted:

in EXCHANGE for a requirement of an X amount of hour safety & law course to complete before one can purchase a HANDGUN, which includes all current background check requirements' ?

safety & law course - NOT a permit.

 

[Koda]

One more time - please read what I posted:

in EXCHANGE for a requirement of an X amount of hour safety & law course to complete before one can purchase a HANDGUN, which includes all current background check requirements' ?

see this is the confusing part. When you say it includes something then that means what it says.... take a class and then that class includes "all current background check requirements". That means, to me.. that I dont need to do a background check to buy a new gun.
Or do you mean you have to pass a background check in order to just take the class?

 

[RVTECH]

take a class and then that class includes "all current background check requirements". That means, to me.. that I dont need to do a background check to buy a new gun.

INCLUDES means just what it does. The background check requirements still apply. That part doesn't change.

The ONLY thing that would change is the ADDITION of a safety and law course. It would not ELIMINATE the CURRENT background check/4473 requirements.

Like I said previously - think of it as a Hunters Safety course being needed before being able to get a hunting license.

 

[3MTA3]

Dang! Misunderstood the title and thought this was about China... In that poll I'd vote to pay more money to move production of the crap I think I need back to the US instead of going Dr. Strangelove on them.

My answer to the concealed pistol poll is NO!

I'd NEVER agree to a prerequisite condition to exercise a right. That basically demotes the right to a privilege since completion of the course is effectively a State issued license.

I'd vote however to make that training and education a requirement for public schools.