National Hunter Biden Sentencing?

[arakboss]

Bittersweet, I don't mind Hunter being convicted of something but we shouldn't even have 4473s or all the questions. If I am ever on a jury deciding a case like this, I am a not guilty vote.

 

[RVTECH]

What is likely? Found guilty.

A lot will depend on his sentencing investigation with a Fed probation officer.

A legal expert explained this in the news earlier and said there IS a possibility he could get some jail time - but if so it would not be much.

He also mentioned the possibility of Federal probation but that is typically rare.

 

[ma96782]

I don't believe that Form 4473 was in effect during the Colonial era. So.....
And then, Hunter and the Biden crime family, have the money to take it all the way. So.....



Aloha, Mark

 

[JRuby]

Based on Hunters case 1) if you do drugs illegally you can't buy a gun. 2) if you lie on your 4473 it's a felony. Now it's time to bust these criminals regardless of political affiliation. Treat them all alike.

 

[ma96782]

Aloha, Mark

 

[lucusloc]

Some interesting data on this;

Law Enforcement: Few Individuals Denied Firearms Purchases Are Prosecuted and ATF Should Assess Use of Warning Notices in Lieu of Prosecutions

Individuals who submit falsified information on a form needed to purchase a firearm (e.g., do not disclose a felony conviction) may be subject to...

www.gao.gov

of particular note;

of 112 thousand denials only ~10% are investigated and ~.01% are charged. This means either the vast majority are incorrectly denied (thus infringing on that person's rights) or the vast majority of criminals attempting to purchase guns are not prosecuted for their crime. There really is no wiggle room for any other explanation.

I wonder if Hunter's appeal will include complaints of unusual prosecution?

 

[RVTECH]

This is all theater.

It could very well be.

Possibly a 'show' put on for the repubs by the Dems basically saying, 'See we go after our own as well' - in an attempt to make the justice system appear 'balanced'

 

[gmerkt]

of 112 thousand denials only ~10% are investigated and ~.01% are charged. This means either the vast majority are incorrectly denied (thus infringing on that person's rights) or the vast majority of criminals attempting to purchase guns are not prosecuted for their crime. There really is no wiggle room for any other explanation.

Aside from the politics of it, it reminds me a bit of the front license plate law. Or the hand held devices not to be used while driving. It's happening all the time. Heck, Tesla doesn't even provide a bracket for a front license plate on new deliveries. These are known laws, yet in our mostly voluntary compliance society, enforcement is slack because there are bigger things going on. The little laws often get ignored.

Hunter Biden's 4473 transgression wasn't all that big of a deal. BUT: He has a huge public profile, especially with his other legal problems and moral issues, and who can ignore that he's the president's son? He was destined to be one of the measly 12 cases prosecuted.

 

[WillametteWill]

It could very well be.

Possibly a 'show' put on for the repubs by the Dems basically saying, 'See we go after our own as well' - in an attempt to make the justice system appear 'balanced'

I tend to agree. I think they will sacrifice him, throw him in jail, allowing them to do the same with someone else. When you have a .01% prosecution rate (noted previously), well, your tax dollars at work. On per month over the entire country. Wow.

 

[Sporting Systems]

The SCOTUS Rahimi case, I expect will address the drug addiction aspect of the charges as unconstitutional. That said, SCOTUS has already indicated that violating willfully, shows your willingness to break the law. His false swearing charge will still be upheld, as he willfully lied on the form, regardless of the legality of the addiction aspect of the case.

 

[25-06]

^This; if any of us blue-collar slobs got convicted of anything he did, our lives are effectively over. He'll get community service that he'll likely shirk off.

None of us blue collar slobs would have ever had these charges brought against us.

 

[lucusloc]

Aside from the politics of it, it reminds me a bit of the front license plate law. Or the hand held devices not to be used while driving. It's happening all the time. Heck, Tesla doesn't even provide a bracket for a front license plate on new deliveries. These are known laws, yet in our mostly voluntary compliance society, enforcement is slack because there are bigger things going on. The little laws often get ignored.

Hunter Biden's 4473 transgression wasn't all that big of a deal. BUT: He has a huge public profile, especially with his other legal problems and moral issues, and who can ignore that he's the president's son? He was destined to be one of the measly 12 cases prosecuted.

To be fair this was not a denial, this was caught after the fact. But it is still illegal to try and purchase a firearm when you know you are ineligible, which is why every denial is a potential felony, which is obviously being ignored as even the investigation rate is pitiful.

Then you have the wrinkle of protections against self incrimination. It has already been ruled, for example, that Illinois FOID card laws cannot be used against criminals in possession, since requiring them to get a FOID card would be tantamount to legally requiring them to self-report criminal activity. This means the law can only be used against people who posses firearms without a FOID, but are otherwise legally allowed to own a firearm (i.e. a law abiding citizens whose only crime is not getting a FOID card). I am wondering if Hunter's legal team will be pursuing any of these avenues of defense in the appeal. I know they already tentatively put forth a 2A defense, but that was really half-hearted. I think the team is being pressured to consider political ramifications of lines of defense, so many of these may have been realized but taken off the table.

But it would be pretty hilarious if this case winds up with a massive 2A victory down the line.

 

[64MercurysRule]

Meanwhile :

President Joe Biden is scheduled to speak at a pro-gun control event just hours after his son, Hunter Biden, was convicted on federal gun charges .

 

[25-06]

To be fair this was not a denial, this was caught after the fact. But it is still illegal to try and purchase a firearm when you know you are ineligible, which is why every denial is a potential felony, which is obviously being ignored as even the investigation rate is pitiful.

Then you have the wrinkle of protections against self incrimination. It has already been ruled, for example, that Illinois FOID card laws cannot be used against criminals in possession, since requiring them to get a FOID card would be tantamount to legally requiring them to self-report criminal activity. This means the law can only be used against people who posses firearms without a FOID, but are otherwise legally allowed to own a firearm (i.e. a law abiding citizens whose only crime is not getting a FOID card). I am wondering if Hunter's legal team will be pursuing any of these avenues of defense in the appeal. I know they already tentatively put forth a 2A defense, but that was really half-hearted. I think the team is being pressured to consider political ramifications of lines of defense, so many of these may have been realized but taken off the table.

But it would be pretty hilarious if this case winds up with a massive 2A victory down the line.

Wonder if they will take this to the Supreme Court? The form 4473 may violate the 5th amendment by requiring people to self incriminate in order to purchase a gun which is a constitutionally protected right.
And here in Washington, the devil's lettuce is legal, but not Federally. Is the DoJ going to go after the pothead gun owners?

 

[Certaindeaf]

Their house of tards is falling.. tax evasion next and all that that entails.

 

[CamoDeafie]

National - Hunter Biden Sentencing?

What is likely? Found guilty.

www.northwestfirearms.com

Duplicate

 

[JuglansRegia]

None of us blue collar slobs would have ever had these charges brought against us.

If we wrote a book about our escapades with an audio version narrated by ourselves, we should be

 

[lucusloc]

Wonder if they will take this to the Supreme Court? The form 4473 may violate the 5th amendment by requiring people to self incriminate in order to lmpurchase a gun which is a constitutionally protected right.
And here in Washington, the devil's lettuce is legal, but not Federally. Is the DoJ going to go after the pothead gun owners?

I very much doubt the Hunter team will take that issue to SCOTUS, for many, many reasons. Remember, this case was never about the issue it purports to be about. It is a distraction from all of Hunter's other issues. They have been denying all his illegal activity for years, it's just that this issue was far to obvious to let slip. They will nail him with this one and that will give cover to all the other stuff they are letting go (specifically anything that would directly link to and implicate his father). Given everything that is know this is simply the least they figure they can get away with. He now has a conviction on something, so why bother with all the rest right? And if they actually got him off on constitutional grounds, that would not only be an embarrassment to his family's political legacy, it would open up criticism that he still needs a conviction for his other illegal activity (which, again, all points back to his dad). This conviction must stand, and the only question is how lenient his sentencing will be. I would be surprised if they even file for an appeal given the politics surrounding the case.

 

[JRuby]

The Republicans have been trying to get the Bidens on criminal charges. So far this is the only crimes that they can make stick. Hunter is guilty of the charges and I support the juries decision. If Comer and Jordan could have brought him on charges that would stick they would have done so by now. I hope this causes a wave to go after other criminals that lie on thier 4473s

 

[RVTECH]

President Joe Biden is scheduled to speak at a pro-gun control event

And i'm 'kind of' watching (more like listening) to it. And he just ended as I am typing this.

Fortunately he only spoke for like 10 minutes and while it was essentially nothing more than convoluted psychobabble I recommend everyone watch a re run of it.

The part when he mentioned, ' Why does anyone need a magazine that holds 200 shells' was priceless.....