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Well I agree there's no way to stop violence but you can reduce it. That is, you COULD reduce it if we were allowed to punch a few people in the nose for getting out of line. But that was deemed being a vigilant.

Only, it sorta works. My sister never needed a restraining order against my ex-brother in law. Just saying. No guns involved except Hans & Frans (My left & right massive arms)j/k.
 
The video does nothing to bring people to the table. It's a proclamation that has been done to death. His audience is locked firmly in an echo chamber. Wherever people gather, people will be in danger. How about supporting more home schooling resources? Reduces the number of students in schools. Maybe even for those high risk students who go off the deep end, a few semesters of online classes, and social support programs might turn them back from making a mistake? Not saying it's the answer, but it's at least a novel idea in today's shouting match between the people who say "nothing can be done," and those who cry "something must be done."
 
Ever been to a school campus? Most are not prison style building with one entrance and one exit. They are usually sprawling open concept buildings or sprawling campuses with outbuildings, maybe a short fence , fields . Easy to walk in and out of with multiple entry and exit points. Metal detectors are a total pipe dream.
 
Ever been to a school campus? Most are not prison style building with one entrance and one exit. They are usually sprawling open concept buildings or sprawling campuses with outbuildings, maybe a short fence , fields . Easy to walk in and out of with multiple entry and exit points. Metal detectors are a total pipe dream.

This all day long. Many high schools are built in neighborhood communities. My high school (David Douglas) had separate campuses and many different buildings. To get from one to another you sometimes had to walk down a street full of houses. It is easy to say "metal detectors" but it would require an entire new building in an entirely new location.

Now, we did have security guards that would patrol, but they were not armed so they wouldn't help much if this ever happened. We also had one police officer that was usually on the campus, he is a great guy, but it is a huge campus and there was only one of him.
 
Oh , the cost to build a new high school is about $50,000,000 for a 1000 student high school. Yes., That is 50 Million Dollars for a small high school. Figure $50K per student.

You could put all the students in one building. Ring the bell and they all leave through one exit at the same time or stand in line to get through the metal detector at the same time while a guy with a van in the parking lot opens fire on the procession. It won't work!
 
I listened to Mark Kelly (the former astronaut) this morning on the news talking about how we need to take guns away from people we know are a danger to themselves and others. He's in favor of emergency restraining orders that would allow the police to confiscate firearms from people who are reported by law enforcement or family members to be a danger to themselves or others. It struck me that his criteria are exactly the criteria used to involuntarily commit someone to a locked down mental health facility prior to 1970.

It seems strange to me that we could feel good about identifying such a person and take away his firearms for our own safety and that of society, but that we're comfortable with those same people having access to knives, hammers, chain saws, bombs, molotov cocktails, weaponized anthrax and ricin, etc. Why would we be comfortable with someone walking the streets where all of these weapons are accessible if they can't be trusted with firearms?

Of course, the answer is that we aren't really interested in protecting society. We're interested in banning guns, all guns, for whatever reasons we can dream up. If we were interested in protecting society from violently crazy people we would be willing to pay taxes to support a mental health system that was equipped to deal with people who are a danger to themselves and others, no matter their weapon of choice.

We're interested in banning guns because they scare us. And in many cases they scare us because they are symbols of masculinity and male toxicity. And so each and every time a brutal and heinous crime is committed against innocents using a firearm the argument over the causes and what to do about them is immediately co-opted by the anti-gun groups and turned into a debate on guns. And as long as we permit that to happen we will never solve the problem, because guns are NOT the problem. The problem is dangerously crazy people being allowed to walk our streets, people who should be identified and taken into custody where necessary, assessed by professional mental health workers, and housed in an appropriate facility where they can be controlled and treated until it is appropriate for them to again walk our streets. This is the system we had prior to 1970. Isn't it strange that the demise of that system coincides with the advent of mass shootings (and other horrific crimes) in the US?

The problem is that it would take a political leader with a backbone to raise the necessary taxes to support that effort, and it's much easier, cheaper, and more popular to go through the motions of "doing something about gun violence". The problem is that there are people like Mark Kelly who make a living and a career out of pushing anti-gun legislation. Their vested interest is in whipping up as much hysteria around their chosen whipping boy (firearms) as possible in order to promote their own agendas. It does not bother them to stand on the still warm bodies of dead children in order to do so. So I predict that we will pass more laws that hurt only law abiding citizens, but are cheap and easy and popular, while doing nothing about the complete absence of any effective, available, and affordable mental health care for our neighbors who need it. These shootings are the price we pay for ignoring that need and blathering on about gun control.

EDIT: And just today I see this, right on cue:

"The 19-year-old who is accused of killing 17 people and injuring dozens more when he opened fire on a South Florida high school Wednesday afternoon told investigators that he heard voices in his head, giving him instructions on what to do to conduct the attack, law enforcement sources told ABC News."
 
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The video does nothing to bring people to the table. It's a proclamation that has been done to death. His audience is locked firmly in an echo chamber. Wherever people gather, people will be in danger. How about supporting more home schooling resources? Reduces the number of students in schools. Maybe even for those high risk students who go off the deep end, a few semesters of online classes, and social support programs might turn them back from making a mistake? Not saying it's the answer, but it's at least a novel idea in today's shouting match between the people who say "nothing can be done," and those who cry "something must be done."
I agree, part of the problem is with our education system being excessively standardized. We should focus on meeting the specialized needs of our children and raising them up to be productive. Some kids want to be doctors, others want to be the cable guy. Does the cable guy really need to learn biology, and does the doctor really need to learn shop? Sure they are great things to know, but not necessary for their trade/field. We weren't even offered shop at my HS, I graduated in 2010... so I took AP psych instead.
This sort of goes back to the analysis of the problems with millennials as was posted.

I agree that there should be some sort of armed guard stationed at schools as well, in the least. There is a valid point to be made about the targets for these massacres to be traditionally sacred grounds, such as schools and churches. We should defend these places with more fervor.

The problem is denial and a lack of accommodation for individual needs.
 
Oh , the cost to build a new high school is about $50,000,000 for a 1000 student high school. Yes., That is 50 Million Dollars for a small high school. Figure $50K per student.

You could put all the students in one building. Ring the bell and they all leave through one exit at the same time or stand in line to get through the metal detector at the same time while a guy with a van in the parking lot opens fire on the procession. It won't work!
They just rebuilt the high school here in ANACORTES made it bigger and new football stadium and other stuff but did they add any safety stuff nope . hope for the best attatude
 
Just saying, they won'the stop the school shootings because it makes tons of money for both sides. One side will give a little but then use it as why you need to send them money.

Dems say "Send us money to defeat those murderers in the NRA"
Republic say " they are Comming for your guns so send us money and we will protect your gun rights"

While they could really do something like stop the psycho drugs from getting to our kids and setting up real mental health systems. Then harden the schools against attack while training teachers to defend the kids, but there is no money in solutions, only problems keep donations rolling in.o_O
 
Solid perspective on school shootings. This is written by a guy who wrote a famous book on the psychology of killing. A long read (for FB) from Dave Grossman, but the man has a point.

"How many kids have been killed by school fire in all of North America in the past 50 years?

Kids killed... school fire... North America... 50 years... How many? Zero. That's right. Not one single kid has been killed by school fire anywhere in North America in the past half a century.

Now, how many kids have been killed by school violence?"

Standing on the stage of a high school auditorium, Grossman walked to the side nearest a wall as he addressed the crowd. "Look up at the ceiling! See all those sprinklers up there? They're hard to spot — they're painted black — but they're there. While you're looking, look at the material the ceiling is made of. You know that that stuff was selected because it's fire-retardant.

Now look over there above the door — you see that fire exit sign? That's not just any fire exit sign — that's a 'battery-backup-when-the-world-ends-it-will-still-be-lit' fire exit sign.

He walked to the other side, nearby a fire exit and exterior wall, Grossman slammed the palm of his hand against the wall and exclaimed, "Look at these wall boards! They were chosen because they're what, fireproof or fire retardant? There is not one stinking thing in this room that will burn!"

Pointing around the room as he spoke, Grossman continued, "But you've still got those fire sprinklers, those fire exit signs, fire hydrants outside, and fire trucks nearby! Are these fire guys crazy? Are these fire guys paranoid? No! This fire guy is our A+ student! Because this fire guy has redundant, overlapping layers of protection, not a single kid has been killed by school fire in the last 50 years!"

"But you try to prepare for violence — the thing much more likely to kill our kids in schools, the thing hundreds of times more likely to kill our kids in schools, and people think you're paranoid. They think you're crazy. They're in denial."

I want you to stop for a moment and think about how much money is spent on ways to put fires out and stop them from spreading. How much time is spent on training what to do if a fire burns and spreads?

Now how much money and time is spent on stopping violence?

Very little because it makes YOU UNCOMFORTABLE. The idea of trained staff and security with firearms in your children's schools shocks you. Well... reality check. The image of your child in a casket due to a murderer in school with a gun will be infinitely more shocking I guarantee you.

Passing laws restricting firearms would have the same effect as passing laws against fire. If changes in firearm laws are your answer as to how we can save children's lives, you are naive, uninformed about human conflict, and frankly have nothing better to offer. You are grasping at straws in the darkness of ignorance. I do not hold it against you. Anyone asked to solve a problem they are not equipped to solve will make an effort to do so if they believe it to be necessary.

ACCEPT that evil walks the earth and you or your children may one day see it.

LEARN about how the human reacts in moments of danger and peril.

DEVELOP SKILLS to stay alive whatever they may be.

SHARE the mindset, knowledge and skills with your children and loved ones.

WATER puts out FIRE.

GUNS stop GUNS.

You all keep pissing in the wind and wringing your hands and will accomplish nothing with more gun control..

- Lt Col David Grossman
 
He does a good job of summarizing what many have already been saying - but it's a message that seems to fall on many deaf ears. Anti's don't want security in schools - it does, as Colion says, destroy their farcical belief in a Utopian society where evil doesn't actually exist (well, save for Republicans). They actually believe laws will stop this stuff from happening. Many of us know that will never be the case. I can only hope more and more folks will come to the realization that gun control doesn't save lives - and yes, some are finally coming to that conclusion.

Absolutely true, anti's need dead kids killed by guns to further their agenda
unfortunately the 320,000+ aborted babies from last year aren't worth a damn
 
Ever been to a school campus? Most are not prison style building with one entrance and one exit. They are usually sprawling open concept buildings or sprawling campuses with outbuildings, maybe a short fence , fields . Easy to walk in and out of with multiple entry and exit points. Metal detectors are a total pipe dream.


Agreed. Metal detectors are a false sense of security. All they have to do is have an accomplice pull the fire alarm while the gunman sits back as they all line up outside for the fire drill.

Psychiatric drugs are the common thread in nearly all school shootings. If anything, we need to ban psychiatric drugs, not guns.
 
Agreed. Metal detectors are a false sense of security. All they have to do is have an accomplice pull the fire alarm while the gunman sits back as they all line up outside for the fire drill.

Psychiatric drugs are the common thread in nearly all school shootings. If anything, we need to ban psychiatric drugs, not guns.


Psychiatric drugs are prescribed to people with psychiatric problems.
 
Psychiatric drugs are prescribed to people with psychiatric problems.

1 in 5 Americans are taking Psychiatric drugs. Are 20% of our population suffering from psychiatric problems?

School Shootings & Psychiatric Drugs—Constitutional Attorney Jonathan Emord... 5 minute video
 
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Neither. School shootings and other mass murders are usually planned as murder suicides and last no more than a few minutes. Occasionally the shooter pusses out and fails on the suicide part when its all done. In any case escaping afterwards to live another day is seldom part of the plan. Too often people look at these episodes through their eyes as a decent law abiding citizen. Get into the minds eye of a psychopath and think about if a sign would stop you.
 

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