Guns Built For Combat - Show & Tell

[1775usmc]

I own 1 AR15. It has irons on it. No optic. It does have a suppressor and a WML though.

Will I survive the upcoming struggle?

Lol.

 

[MTpockets]

Will I survive the upcoming struggle?

It depends on your ability to deploy a VS-17 panel effectively and whether the powerful Cosmic Cat, who wields the devastating Laser of Space, responds to your signal.

 

[Joe13]

My 5'6" wife has already claimed my AR15 and shoots it well enough to get noticed by other members and the RSO's at my range. AND no there is not enough recoil for me to consider putting one on a 5.56….

That leaves me with an AK and I'm plenty happy with that. If I need to reach out and touch someone, I have a 30-06 hunting rifle and a 1000 yard .308.

I also have a few 12ga shotguns that would fit the bill for anything closer then 100 yards.

I don't see the point in counting on one single platform or specific gun. I'm fairly good with all of the ones I own so if I ever need one I'm not going to be reading the manual to figure out how to disengage the safety.

This thread was "special" lol.

 

[echo1]

I did manage to cobble this little contraption together out of the last of my spare parts. SARCO barreled action cut to 18.5" with Ramline brake (SBR without brake), vented gas tube, Alby bolt carrier and mag (Kali), Russian trigger group with a Murray build (new springs and metal bits, 4lbs pull), RedDot & BUIS. The Shernic was swapped for Yugo 59/66 furniture, which was the construction incentive. Obviously it's not a hunting rifle.
It is purpose built to patrol, attack or defend. PAX

 

[NWaters]

I did manage to cobble this little contraption together out of the last of my spare parts. SARCO barreled action cut to 18.5" with Ramline brake (SBR without brake), vented gas tube, Alby bolt carrier and mag (Kali), Russian trigger group with a Murray build (new springs and metal bits, 4lbs pull), RedDot & BUIS. The Shernic was swapped for Yugo 59/66 furniture, which was the construction incentive. Obviously it's not a hunting rifle.
It is purpose built to patrol, attack or defend. PAX

Wow! If this was a contest you would definitely win, in my opinion. You are one of the very few posts that really qualify. You even have BUIS. Can you use them well with the Red Dot or would you have to take it off? Would offset BUIS work? Anyway yeah you win thanks for sharing it!

 

[Andy54Hawken]

Something else to consider here....
Location...location.....location....it ain't just for realtors...

Just where you are at...as well as what you are doing may well dictate what firearm to use.

For example :
My post #59 states that my choices would be either one of my issued M21 rifles or one of my issued CAR-15's.
If I was to be fighting house to house , room to room...a CAR-15 would work better than my M21.
That said ...I have done so with a M21...but that shorter , faster to bring up and shoot CAR-15 shines , so to speak with close range combat.

If I was in a security / supporting / suppressing fire role for combat...a M21 would make for a better choice.

Another option for close range combat is a shotgun...
Any number of those have been used and are available .

As for things that I look for in a so called combat firearm....

Reliability ...does it go bang when I need it to....with a minimum amount of maintenance / cleaning....
Durability....can it take abuse and neglect ....yet still work....
Please note that the above does not mean that you should neglect caring for your firearm , even in combat.
Very often I was dirty...but my rifle was always cleaned and as maintained as well as it could be when I was deployed.

Simple...
I don't want a complex manual of arms to work and shoot my firearm.
Also don't want a lot extras...that need attention to work.

A balance of overall weight and purpose.
Gear weight adds up fast.

Accuracy ....
It needs to shoot and hit where I want it too....
But I also don't need "match grade accuracy"....unless it is my M21...miss that rifle...
Again...mission / role dependent.

Magazines...
Do they work...are they reliable and durable...as well as easily found...

Ammunition...
Ammunition needs to be reliable ...as well as easily found.
It also needs to be effective....since I am no longer in the Army...where shooting and wounding an enemy , might be more combat effective that outright killing him....I need to consider just what type of bullet or shot design to use.

Andy

 

[echo1]

Wow! If this was a contest you would definitely win, in my opinion. You are one of the very few posts that really qualify. You even have BUIS. Can you use them well with the Red Dot or would you have to take it off? Would offset BUIS work? Anyway yeah you win thanks for sharing it!

The sights are co-witnessed. I'm waiting on the right deal for a laser for the bull pup. I actually, in the olden days, have assembled several itinerations of combat type rifles built off the SKS platform, like a 10/22 they lend themselves to modifying. But now unless they're pre-bubbad to some extent or mix-master numbers, I leave them be. The Drag stocked rifle has glass and a satchel of mags for it in Idaho with 8-20s, 4-30s and a 75 round drum. It'll be a baby X39 SVD clone. The ATI Drag is highly modded for field service. I'm also putting together a cut down Choate Drag using a Romanian underfolder. If I put a Paratrooper length rifle, it'll need a SBR stamp. Again, these rifles are made to repel boarders. PAX

 

[TTSX]

"Everyone" seems to think they're gonna be John wick if their gear looks cool. Reality is, most of those people will be the guy in the background getting shot in the noggin just when they come around the corner.

 

[CamoDeafie]

Rule number one for civilians in fire fights... Avoid them as much as possible. This means getting out of the way, staying out of the way, or just not being there in the first place.

Number two, don't advertise how well armed (or not) you are outside your house and computer/phone.

Number three, I dunno?

Number four, profit from not being involved in gun fights


On the subject of combat arms...a bit of redundancy works pretty good for your primary arms. Training is also a great thing to do. Communication with your group, family, or even LE officers/military officers depending on what you're doing ... Important. For example, if you've been deputized in an emergency to help the local sheriff round up some rabble rousers? Or to defend family compounds while they go after marauders? If you're informed by military to evacuate, or to shelter in place?

If you're left alone with your group or family, and there's bad things coming?


You want a reliable, agile/easy handling firearm, one that you've trained on, and is good with.. it can be your old 30-30 lever, it can be your 9mm Hi Point carbine (pushing the limits on agile/easy handling ), it can be a 308 bolt action, a 5.56 AR, or a 12 ga shotgun.

 

[DirtyBird]

I've really enjoyed reading this thread, for a number of reasons.

One thing I remember from my philosophy classes is the value of defining one's terms. Looking at definitions for combat, it looks like many, but not all, describe conflict between armed forces or groups. Hard to imagine that happening here, but not impossible.

For me, I'll define it as situations where I think I'd want or need a rifle, and where I'm acting on my own or with friends and neighbors. Guess that'd be life threatening situations following natural disaster, economic collapse, internal conflict, or foreign led and funded rat bubblegumery.

In those situations, my focus is on reliability, availability of parts, and cartridge commonality. That's how and why I ended up with 5.56 ARs, 7.62 AKs, and 9mm Glocks. Whether it's one I bought or built, I try to keep things close to how they were issued. I'm certain there are more effective or deadly or cool guns out there, but I don't want to run out of a boutique caliber, or not be able to replace a broken part.

Like others have said here, I also believe where I'm at with fitness, friends, community, food, water, gardening, and other preps is way more important for my hypothetical 'combat' situations. If I've got shelter, food, water, and friends to back my play, I'd likely be just find with my single action army copy and my lever guns. I'd look pretty cool doing it too.

Good luck, one and all, and may this remain just us bench racing.

 

[echo1]

Myself I'm a duck and run kinda guy and I believe that it'll be the luck of the draw in any Mad Maxx scenario, but I will say when my son was murdered, it took everything in my power not to take a flame thrower to the place. PAX

 

[DirtyBird]

Myself I'm a duck and run kinda guy and I believe that it'll be the luck of the draw in any Mad Maxx scenario, but I will say when my son was murdered, it took everything in my power not to take a flame thrower to the place. PAX

Not my business in any way, but I'm very sorry for your loss.

 

[echo1]

Thanks DB, CB it's the anniversary of the event May 19th, which was his birthday and this time of year I get edgy. PAX

 

[Member 45541]

Thanks DB, it's the anniversary of the event May 19th, which was his birthday and this time of year I get edgy. PAX

changed to a PM so as not to derail the thread.

 

[titsonritz]

Rule number one for civilians in fire fights... Avoid them as much as possible. This means getting out of the way, staying out of the way, or just not being there in the first place.

Number two, don't advertise how well armed (or not) you are outside your house and computer/phone.

I thought it was "cardio" and "double tap".

 

[titsonritz]

Weight is something to consider.
As well as balance / handiness ....
A well balanced rifle that weighs 8 pounds will feel , carry and maybe even shoot better than one that weighs the same but handles poorly.

Simple is also better , at least in my experience.
Less to lose , break or rely on.
You want your items to work...and work well , now.
Andy

Weight and especially balance are pretty important to me, which is why I much prefer AR barrel profiles like the BCM ELW and Criterion Core over Colt Government style. The lighter weight and rearward balance towards chamber makes a huge difference when adding laser/light unit.

 

[echo1]

Weight is something to consider.
As well as balance / handiness ....
A well balanced rifle that weighs 8 pounds will feel , carry and maybe even shoot better than one that weighs the same but handles poorly.

Simple is also better , at least in my experience.
Less to lose , break or rely on.
You want your items to work...and work well , now.
Andy

Speaking of weight, during my prepping the weapons phase decades ago, I assembled all manner of ammo gear for the PSG1 7.62X51, belt packs with 5 German duel 20 round mag pouches, SKSs & 7.62X39, 4 - 40mm cans with 5 Chinese stripper vests of 200 rounds each, 4 web vests with hydration and 4 leather Yugo vertical pouches or 4 Russian/Chinese horizontal pouches with belt space for detachable drop leg holsters/mag pouches for either 9mms or 1911s. The other day I tried on one setup, my favorite combo. At 73 & post triple bypass mode, I'm not running anywhere except to the head every 20 minutes. I'm going to have to hunker down and give the youngster a chance to make a break for it. The 300 will be proud PAX

 

[bradsteen]

Indeed. A good number of gun owners are just loot drops, myself included

Well, if I'm destined to be a loot drop, some of the gear will get a "holy crap, that's sweet!"

... and the rest will just get a lot of head scratching and "wtf?!?"

 

[mikegc]

My dad was a medic in the South Pacific with the First Cavalry Division and brought home a couple of 6.5mm Arisakas and this Nambu 8mm pistol:

Back in 1970, I picked up a couple of SKS rifles while "vacationing" in Cambodia with the intention of bringing them home. That didn't happen 'cause I sold them to a couple of REMFs.

Mike