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Gun control, anyone?

Discussion in 'Legal & Political Archive' started by dario541, Oct 23, 2009.

  1. dario541

    dario541 medford, or 97504 Member

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    Although they are keeping a low profile at this time, I feel that gun grabbers are waiting and hoping for a major shooting (the assasination of a prominent person or another large school slaughter) to crawl out of the woodwork. Of course, this is only a matter of time.
    But, if a major gun registration scam or outright ban is ever enacted, here is something that you ought to know: In the 1966 case of "Haynes V US Government", the Supreme Court ruled that CONVICTED FELONS DO NOT HAVE TO OBEY ANTI-GUN LAWS! Although I am not an attorney, I think their logic was that:
    1. No person can be compelled to testify against himself or
    2. To incriminate himself.
    Therefore, a FELON (who is prohibeted from possessing firearms) could not be forced to obey any gun laws that would require him to report that he had guns lest he incriminate himself.
    But, if you are a law-abiding citizen, then this protection does not apply to you! What a world we live in!!
     
  2. Partsproduction

    Partsproduction Tillamook Oregon Active Member

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    I don't have a crystal ball, but in December Obama will sign the UN Climate Change Treaty. That treaty cedes sovereignty to the UN. When that happens America will be under all UN laws, that includes their well known civilian gun ban laws.

    The only part of what I just said that isn't fact yet is that Obama will sign it. Does anyone here believe he won't?
     
  3. Gunner3456

    Gunner3456 Salem Well-Known Member

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    Treaties signed by the POTUS have to to be ratified by a 2/3 vote of the Senate. That's pretty hard to get done.

    Watch for more tea parties and even more if Obama signs anything like that. Enough is Enough. :thumbup:
     
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    56kninja Portland Member

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    For the felons. What do you do if they catch a felon with a gun?

    They'll charge him with illegally possessing a weapon.
     
  5. dario541

    dario541 medford, or 97504 Member

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    Yes, they can charge him, but it'll never stick if his attorney is aware of the Supreme Court ruling established in Haynes V United Staes (1966).
     
  6. onearmedswordsman

    onearmedswordsman Hillsboro, OR Member

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    Um, dario, I think your interpretation goes beyond what the Supreme Court intended. This ridiculous decision is limited to a felon required to register because he'd be incriminating him/herself. But, if he/she is caught in possession, he is toast. A charge reading something like "in possession of unregistered firearm" would not stick, as you pointed out. But, he/she will not get any protection against other charges like "felon in possession of firearm".
     
  7. clearconscience

    clearconscience Vancouver, WA Well-Known Member

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    About a year ago a convicted felon was arrested in down town portland because they found a loaded firearm under the sea he was sitting in.

    It was thrown out of court because the judge didn't see that the officers had a legal right to search his vehicle.

    He was parked in a high drug traffic area, sitting in his car they asked him some questions, he was acting funny so they asked to search his car, he consented, and they officers found the gun.
    Boom!
    Another bad guy in the streets with a gun. And now he's above the law.

    It's nice our convicted felons have better rights than us.
     
  8. dario541

    dario541 medford, or 97504 Member

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    It is no secret that judges are constantly ordering the authorities to turn criminals back onto the streets because "jails are too crowded." "We don't want these poor crooks to be uncomfortable." "They need their TV and other comforts of life." "BOO, HOO! Those poor criminals!"
     
  9. clearconscience

    clearconscience Vancouver, WA Well-Known Member

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    Not to mention all the gangs and criminal enterprises that still continue to kill and run their business from jail.

    Where has this country gone?

    I was thinking we have enough evidence to start a court case People vs. The United States for violation of our constitutional rights.
    And let us arm ourselves to the right extent of our current situation.

    But then again they would probably just say the current constitution no longer fits the country we live in today and the friendly Gov't we have is going to re-write the entire thing in "the peoples" favor."

    I'm sorry but this country is a joke and is makes me sick everyday. I've been looking into what other small country I could move to. (If I win the lottery that is)
     
  10. terrylf72

    terrylf72 Portland, Oregon, United States Member

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    I am a firm beleaver in gun control. I.E. "" If there is a gun around, I will be in control of it. "" Quote from Msgt Vernon D. Feagins US Army.. My father. Today he would have been 68. May he R.I.P.
     
  11. clearconscience

    clearconscience Vancouver, WA Well-Known Member

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    Great quote and no doubt a great man.

    I'm in favor of gun control in the way that people who commit dangerous crimes with weapons be punished to the greatest extent of the law. No DA deals, no let of because of over crowding, and definetly not giving criminals better treatment and more rights than a law abiding citizen.
    But leting those law abiding citizens have free reign with those weapons. Open carry etc.

    One of my favorite quotes was Robert Feinlein.
    An armed society is a polite society. Manners are always good when one has to back is acts with his life.

    Something like that.
    The Gov't is contantly taking away our rights to give more to the criminals.


    Question is, when will the vigalantes begins????
    Los pepes?
     
  12. whphel

    whphel Lake Stevens Member

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    Your dad's quote is great I love that. Can I borrow it?
     
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    Hawaiian Tigard Oregon Well-Known Member

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  14. dario541

    dario541 medford, or 97504 Member

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    Always remember this - It's not GUN control, it's PEOPLE control!
     
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    Gunner3456 Salem Well-Known Member

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    You got that right - just exactly. :thumbup:
     
  16. dario541

    dario541 medford, or 97504 Member

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    Hey, Gunner - What are you doing up at this time of the morning?
     
  17. Gunner3456

    Gunner3456 Salem Well-Known Member

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    I fell asleep at 6:00 and got my 8 hours in. I think I'm getting old. :D
     
  18. dario541

    dario541 medford, or 97504 Member

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    Been there and done that!