Googling is for old people

[ATCclears]

And it's not just demographics that are weighing on the search giant. Its core business is under siege from pressures that threaten to dismantle its ecosystem of search dominance and digital advertising.

https://www.wsj.com/tech/googling-is-for-old-people-thats-a-problem-for-google-5188a6ed?st=sVCJEL&reflink=desktopwebshare_permalink

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[Andy54Hawken]

Interesting article...thank you for the link.

Lately in my searches , I have come across A I answers fairly often .
Most were in line with what I expected or correct....more than a few however , were not correct or slanted one way or another.
Andy

 

[arakboss]

How many businesses require a more than 50% market share to be deemed successful? I still use Google for search. I have tried others but the familiarity keeps me tethered to Google. I am going to be a very late adopter of AI, if ever.

Until AI can do my job while I am still collecting the paychecks, it doesn't look useful to me.

I look at the usefulness of a technology in this way. What areas in my life need improvement. Is there a technology that will accomplish this for me? AI doesn't fill that criteria for me, as of now.

Some people look at the usefulness of technology in this way. Could I find a use for a given technology in my life, so I don't feel left out when others talk about the technology? I would guess, this is the AI use case for many at this time.

I am sure AI has it's merits but I am not seeing how it could improve my life right now.

 

[Andy54Hawken]

Speaking only for myself...
I have no use for...nor any desire for A I in any part of my life.

However...I do live in the 21st century...so A I will be there...whether I like it or want it.....ugh.
Andy

 

[thorborg]

I use technology as convenience and cost saving mostly, much to my chagrin, I don't play computer gases or have a cell phone, but frankly, having grown up over half my life without it, ( tube technology excepted) I deem it an injustice to society especially the cell phone which evolution will likely permanently affix it to the hand as it is rarely seen in the pocket, anywhere. Now, AI will eventually take all worth, creativity, personal satisfaction of achievement from humans and increase dependence on drugs while living vicariously through artificial AI created visions of the world.

 

[CrackPipe]

Speaking only for myself...
I have no use for...nor any desire for A I in any part of my life.

However...I do live in the 21st century...so A I will be there...whether I like it or want it.....ugh.
Andy

Overall I wish AI was not coming, certainly not as fast as it is. The downsides are massive, however, there is a use for it, many. One of which will make my line of work obsolete... very soon. Some of the tasks I do that would take me a month, it can do in seconds. That was an "ugh" moment for sure. I recently had the opportunity to speak with the CIO/VP of the Cisco IT business and something he said really stuck with me. "AI will happen by us, with us or to us." Even though I don't like it, I prefer to be in the "with" category instead of the "to" category.

 

[TTSX]

The problem I have with AI is that it's doing art and making music but not making dinner and doing the dishes. I would like it to do the menial work so I can enjoy life but I fear it's only going to end up making life for the working man more miserable by automating all the wrong tasks

 

[nwslopoke]

AI will be a battle. Technology is partly a scam as advertised. Like sausage. You don't want to see what's in it.

The heavy cost to operate these updated systems that will bring new Green ideas to save the planet. Maybe younger people are willing to trade the raw elements, water and power to get more realistic video or faster results . But, there is also a video of the NPR CEO, paraphrasing, the truth is inconvenient. Just give the best result to move the conversation along. If that's what AI is programmed to do, that's what we get.

I just spent the holidays with a bunch of 40 yo and under. Most had good jobs, a house and babies. I doubt most know how to change a tire. Although, a lot of new cars don't come with a spare.

 

[CrackPipe]

The problem I have with AI is that it's doing art and making music but not making dinner and doing the dishes. I would like it to do the menial work so I can enjoy life but I fear it's only going to end up making life for the working man more miserable by automating all the wrong tasks

Be careful what you wish for... https://www.figure.ai/

 

[TTSX]

I just spent the holidays with a bunch of 40 yo and under. Most had good jobs, a house and babies. I doubt most know how to change a tire. Although, a lot of new cars don't come with a spare.

Why do you doubt them? They're 40, not 4. Just because someone is younger does not mean they're incompetent by default

 

[TTSX]

Be careful what you wish for... https://www.figure.ai/

Hey, it's got a hand. You know what hands do? Every 14 year old boy does.

And that's realistically where robots will go, at least for a niche market

 

[CrackPipe]

If that's what AI is programmed to do, that's what we get.

You may know this, but many people do not. These AI systems are not programmed in the traditional sense. An AI researcher I recently heard said that they are "grown" more than programmed. Some of the more powerful systems out last year had less than 10k lines of code, and I think one of the leading models had less than 6k. That's tiny considering the capabilities. The training data is also mind blowing but in the opposite direction. When these things are finished training, there are always some "emergent" properties that were not expected. Obviously I am no expert on these systems, but I want to know enough to not be blindsided when they have major impacts on me or others around me.

 

[Bobbygun]

Why do you doubt them? They're 40, not 4. Just because someone is younger does not mean they're incompetent by default

Thank you for resisting the urge to throw out "Okay Boomer".

 

[Koda]

Somewhere I read a study showed Google was liberally biased in the search results it gives everyone. "Supposedly" it wasn't intentional.
Trump made a statement he wanted to make it mandatory for internet platforms to unfilter search results, cant find that link right now but it needs to happen.

I stopped using Google to search years ago, if you want to see what unfiltered searching is like use Startpage.com. They don't track your searches, but the results are world wide not US based (unless you tell it to filter) so you have to be way more specific in your search terms to get results that are relative to either you or your area (which ironically isn't good either to get out of our echo chambers).

 

[Knobgoblin]

Well,

We don't need robot loggers because we have humans running the EPA

Also, does AI create carbon credit or carbon debt.

 

[P7M13]

From the article:

And the quality of the results delivered by its search engine is deteriorating as the web is flooded with AI-generated content.

That statement is like the Biden Administration chorus, "It's Trump's fault."

Among the people I know, aged 20's to their 40's, those who don't use Google (which would be most of them, my kids included), they all cite "Big Brother" and how they perceive the searches to be biased.

 

[kirkcdl]

DuckDuckGo for me,although occasionally I search for weird things on Google just to see what ads I'll start getting...

 

[Koda]

Google gives results the person wants to hear, the problem with that is living inside ones echo chamber is one of the most egregiously toxic environments. This is why so many people drift farther left and right and refuse to hear others opinions, they researched it and found multiple links to confirm their personal bias but never saw anything to contradict their bias. Their opinion is now cemented true, even if in reality its not. To make things worse, their confirmation sources slander the opposite sources as "misinformation" conspiracy theories etc solidifying their confirmation bias and fortifying their echo chamber.

"Google's whole mission is to give people the information that they want, but sometimes the information that people think they want isn't actually the most useful,"

The 'bias machine': How Google tells you what you want to hear

"We're at the mercy of Google." Undecided voters in the US who turn to Google may see dramatically different views of the world – even when they're asking the exact same question.

www.bbc.com

 

[Bobbygun]

Google gives results the person wants to hear, the problem with that is living inside ones echo chamber is one of the most egregiously toxic environments.

Speak for yourself sir! My echo chamber is quite pleasant.

 

[nwslopoke]

You may know this, but many people do not. These AI systems are not programmed in the traditional sense. An AI researcher I recently heard said that they are "grown" more than programmed. Some of the more powerful systems out last year had less than 10k lines of code, and I think one of the leading models had less than 6k. That's tiny considering the capabilities. The training data is also mind blowing but in the opposite direction. When these things are finished training, there are always some "emergent" properties that were not expected. Obviously I am no expert on these systems, but I want to know enough to not be blindsided when they have major impacts on me or others around me.

I used to work with a lot of engineers until recently. You just pick up causal conversations over time. But I would wager multiple AI systems may come up with different solutions to given problems. Not 2+2 but how to navigate or it's perception of Santa Claus.

And when I mentioned to 40 yo in my earlier post, I did give them credit for several accomplishments. My point there was given all the new tech they have compared to the 70s-80s, there are some basic skills lost. I can't manipulate new network systems like young people can seemingly automatically. But I can change my sink.