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Due to 594, Museum is returning firearms to owners

Discussion in 'Legal & Political Archive' started by Brigadier, Nov 19, 2014.

  1. Brigadier

    Brigadier WA Member

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  2. wombat

    wombat Kirkland, WA Member

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    The Lynden Museum will return eleven WWII firearms loaned by owners; so the museum won't be in violation of I-594

    https://tv.yahoo.com/news/washington-state-museum-pulls-firearms-wwii-exhibit-over-203715826.html

    ... some of the items to return include a rare Japanese flare pistol and an anti-tank rifle.
    As these and other items were on loan from collectors, the museum won't qualify for exemption, even under the limited provisions for antique firearms.

    ... now what other museums might be affected?
    Would the aircraft mounted machine guns and other static displays in the Museum of Flight be exempt?

    Doubt it?
     
  3. erudne

    erudne The Pie Matrix PPL Say Sleeping W/Your Rifle Is A bad Thing? Bronze Supporter

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    Washington state museum pulls firearms from WWII exhibit over new gun law

    SEATTLE (Reuters) - A museum in Washington state plans to remove about a dozen borrowed firearms from a World War Two exhibit and return them to their owners to comply with a new gun law that requires background checks for all gun transfers, the institution said on Wednesday.
    Washington voters passed legislation earlier this month expanding background checks on all firearms purchases to include sales at guns shows and online, as well for loans and transfers.
    The Lynden Pioneer Museum, located about 100 miles north of Seattle and just south of the Canadian border, said that as a result it was pulling all 11 of the World War Two-era guns in its exhibit, "Over the Beach: The WWII Pacific Theater," before the law takes effect.
    "The museum will be returning these guns to their owners because as of Dec. 4, we would be in violation of the law if we had loaned firearms that had not undergone the background check procedure," the museum said in a statement.
    The exhibit includes vintage weapons and military equipment used during the war, as well as letters, photographs and other memorabilia and artifacts collected from veterans, said Troy Luginbill, the museum's director.
    The weapons being returned to their owners include a rare Japanese flare pistol and an anti-tank rifle used in the war, he said.
    "The board decided 11 firearms are not worth the chance of getting the museum shut down," Luginbill said. "We aren't trying to make a political statement."
    Though the law has limited provisions for antiques and family members, the guns used in the display, on loan from individual collectors, do not qualify for either exemption, he said.
    Washington Attorney General Bob Ferguson's office said in a statement that there have not been any lawsuits filed against the background check legislation, I-594, nor were there any opinion requests for guidance in the matter.
    "Therefore, at this point we have no interpretations of the initiative to offer to the public beyond the text of the measure itself," a spokeswoman for Ferguson said.
     
  4. Diamondback

    Diamondback A cold, wet green Hell Well-Known Member

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    How 'bout, once again, Paul Allen's hypocrisy on his NAZI TERROR WEAPONS on display in Everett?
     
  5. Monica Cowles

    Monica Cowles Grays Harbor, Washington Member, NRA (Life) USCCA, ACLDN, SAF (Life) Staff Member Silver Supporter

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    ARGH!! ...:confused:
     
  6. bolus

    bolus Portland Gold Supporter Gold Supporter 2015 Volunteer 2016 Volunteer

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  7. PiratePast40

    PiratePast40 Willamette Valley Well-Known Member

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    Did anyone notice that the museum director made reference to " ......firearms that had not undergone the background check procedure." This misunderstanding is at the heart of the issue. Voters simply did not know what the bill was about. I heard this same argument from an employees at Dicks several months ago. She was adamant that the background check was just as much about stolen guns as about people.
     
  8. 3MTA3

    3MTA3 DMZ between Liberty and Tyranny Behind Enemy Lines Bronze Supporter

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    Having guns displayed in museums where they can be shown in a positive light does not fit the agenda. What they want is for the public at large to be terrified of firearms, which will only be in the hands of govt agencies. And that, folks, IS terrifying.
     
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  9. Flopsweat

    Flopsweat Slightly right of center Well-Known Member

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    He's a perfect example of more money than sense. Way more.
     
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  10. Diamondback

    Diamondback A cold, wet green Hell Well-Known Member

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    Just trying to hoist the other side by their own petard...

    Why is he glorifying Nazism with his Third Reich relics? For that matter, why does any honest person need a weapon of MASS DEATH like a Scud missile--what city is Allen planning to either hold hostage or destroy with it when buying influence no longer works for him?

    (Yes, like the Lynden case they're all in a museum, but still... there's nothing in 594 exempting museums so it's gonna be funny watching Allen become caught in his own net when someone takes up one from his private air force. And I'm just gonna be breakin' out my brand-new LOLlerskates...)

    Or his Fi-103 "Reichenberg"--a cruise missile with a human guidance system, like a Nazi kamikaze. Whose family is he going to hold hostage or threaten to make them strap into the thing, and what does he intend to destroy and who does he intend to kill with it?
     
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  11. U201491

    U201491 Well-Known Member

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    594 is just a thorn or burr that everyone will ride while the anti's figure how to do beheadings next.......................

    Its sad watching this play out 180 from the "Constitution State"
     
  12. usagi

    usagi Redmond Well-Known Member

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    they should put up a sign: "we are unable to exhibit these historical pieces due to geoff potter and 594."
     
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  13. whiskeybill

    whiskeybill Battle Ground, WA Well-Known Member

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  14. 3MTA3

    3MTA3 DMZ between Liberty and Tyranny Behind Enemy Lines Bronze Supporter

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    I think they will selectively enforce the law, "progressively" tightening enforcement to prevent a backlash. The ultimate goal is for the state to determine who will and who won't have access to firearms.
     
  15. RicInOR

    RicInOR Washington County Bronze Supporter Bronze Supporter

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    FOLLOW UP
    http://reason.com/brickbat/2014/11/28/ancient-history

    "The kindness of a pawn shop owner will keep Washington's Lynden Pioneer Museum from having to remove all firearms from a World War II exhibit and return them to the owners to comply with a new state law. Initiative 594, which voters passed earlier this month, requires background checks on all firearms transfers except between family members. There is no exception in the law for loans to museums. The museum had planned to return the firearms to owners before the law takes effect Dec. 4. But the owner of Pistol Annie's Jewelry and Pawn offered to do the background check on the museum director and when the firearms are returned do the checks on the owners. "


    Just my 2c: if you are in the area, throw Pistol Annie's some business.
     
  16. RicInOR

    RicInOR Washington County Bronze Supporter Bronze Supporter

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    There is another thread in General on this same topic.
    Here is the same follow up:

    http://reason.com/brickbat/2014/11/28/ancient-history

    "The kindness of a pawn shop owner will keep Washington's Lynden Pioneer Museum from having to remove all firearms from a World War II exhibit and return them to the owners to comply with a new state law. Initiative 594, which voters passed earlier this month, requires background checks on all firearms transfers except between family members. There is no exception in the law for loans to museums. The museum had planned to return the firearms to owners before the law takes effect Dec. 4. But the owner of Pistol Annie's Jewelry and Pawn offered to do the background check on the museum director and when the firearms are returned do the checks on the owners. "


    My 2c: If you can, throw some business Pistol Annie's way.
     
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  17. bolus

    bolus Portland Gold Supporter Gold Supporter 2015 Volunteer 2016 Volunteer

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  18. whiskeybill

    whiskeybill Battle Ground, WA Well-Known Member

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    I don't often have much to say about pawn shops, but that was pretty awesome!