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  1. erudne

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    Armed Social Security Recipients are Now Targeted by Obama

    Tim Brown February 10, 2016

    If you've got a gun and you receive Social Security, you are now being targeted by the Obama administration.

    In the latest stealth effort by the
    Communist administration, the Social Security Administration is wanting to list the names of those who receive Social Security benefits to the National Instant Check System (NICS) as "prohibited persons." This would effectively ban them from being able to purchase a gun and would target those who already own guns.

    It would also be a clear violation of the Fifth Amendment's due process clause.

    The LA Times has the story:
    The push is intended to bring the Social Security Administration in line with laws regulating who gets reported to the National Instant Criminal Background Check System, or NICS, which is used to prevent gun sales to felons, drug addicts, immigrants in the country illegally and others.

    A potentially large group within Social Security are people who, in the language of federal gun laws, are unable to manage their own affairs due to "marked subnormal intelligence, or mental illness, incompetency, condition, or disease."

    If Social Security, which has never participated in the background check system, uses the same standard as the VA, millions of its beneficiaries would be affected. About 4.2 million adults receive monthly benefits that are managed by 'representative payees.'

    The Veterans Administration has been involved in this for years now, as they have sought to disarm our veterans, those who have fought to defend the very rights they are being deprived. My good friend Leon Puissegur seems to have been targeted in such a manner.

    Just like the VA, the Social Security Administration would have no judicial oversight, which would mean they would end up violating the Constitutional rights of American citizens under the Second and Fifth Amendments.

    We already know that the
    NICS system is being used to build a database, despite it being against the law to do so.

    Owning a gun is not a crime. Being a veteran is not a crime. Being elderly is not a crime. Even being marked as having "subnormal intelligence, or mental illness, incompetency, condition, or disease" is not a crime. Therefore, people's rights should not be infringed because a mentally ill, criminal usurper thinks they should be.

    Any way this
    criminal administration can think of restricting or confiscating guns, they are looking to do it. Whether it is through the Veterans Administration, more background checks, or putting people on a random no-fly list, they are openly defying God, the people and the Constitution.

    What Americans need to keep their eyes on is the simple fact that the united States Constitution does not grant any authority to DC politicians to write law nor impose by executive order the restriction of guns for citizens. Congress doesn't have that authority, the Executive Branch doesn't have that authority and neither does the Judicial Branch. This is a usurpation and always has been because
    every federal gun law is unconstitutional!

    http://freedomoutpost.com/2016/02/ar...eted-by-obama/
     
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    Amen, every Federal Law is unconstitutional....

    See what happens when you turn education over to the gubermint...

    Our children haven't been taught about the constitution in 50 years...
     
  3. NWGlockgal

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    Great......I'm getting my first social security check this month!
    At least I am still competent (enough) to handle my own financial affairs.
    And if I wasn't, doesn't mean I wasn't competent enough to handle
    owning firearms.

    This type of story is frightening. Anyone, gun lover or anti-gun, should
    be concerned with these types of actions. First they go after one right,
    then they will go after another.
     
  4. JRuby

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    Is the VA trying to prevent all vets from owning firearms or just those that have mental issues and yes it does make a difference.
     
  5. Joe13

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    Shouldn't matter - unless they are at risk of suicide I can't think of a single reason they should take anyone guns away.
     
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    You do know that people who are mentally retarded, Have been mentally disabled by injury or disease can be on social security.
     
  7. JRuby

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    No question about SSY if you paid into it, you or your spouse ought to be able to collect on it no questions asked regardless of mental state.
     
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    So does that also mean if you have a group managing your 401(k)?
     
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    It was mentioned that being elderly is not a crime, during WWll the nazi's saw it differently, they purposely killed older people. This has continued on in other countries as well. Go to youtube, watch the video The History of Gun Control. It is well worth your time. There are so many parallels to today's times in the video, it's scary. This will tell, and show you where we are headed. They say, ''history repeats it's self'', we'd better be praying it does not!
     
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    Sorry this should probably be in another thread, but I am pressed for time just now. Move as appropriate.


     
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    A bill to repeal the Social Security gun grab has passed the House of Representatives. A similar bill in the Senate is expected to be voted on soon.
     
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    :s0133:I thought OBAMA was no longer president
     
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    This thread is a year old, latest updates were just those - updates. Obama's legacy continues to be pealed away. Can't wait until Obamacare is a bad memory...
     
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    And today the Senate version of this was passed. The bill, having been approved by both houses of the Congress, is on the way to the President. He is expected to sign it, happily.
     
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    Can't wait to see what it will be replaced with or if it has a replacement.
     
  18. ChiefStealth

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    There is another existing thread on this. And, you are a bit behind the curve on the facts on this one. The U.S. Congress has been busy passing a repeal of this SS gun grab. The House passed its version of the repeal bill last week. The Senate passed its version, just today. The bill is now going to the President. He is expected to sign the bill rather quickly. I appreciate you trying to inform us of this issue. But, this one is over.. done.. history!
     
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    And, now I see that the forum admins have combined the two threads into one.
     
  20. DunRanull

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    Has The Man signed it yet?:) Seems to me that this policy would be a good reason NOT to "seek help" for common conditions like depression.
     
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