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building AR pistol-need for sure answer on stripped lower question

Discussion in 'Handgun Discussion' started by .45's and .38's, Jul 31, 2012.

  1. .45's and .38's

    .45's and .38's Happy Valley OR Well-Known Member

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    I was considering building up a pistol AR. I called the FFL locally & he said

    The only stripped lowers we have are rifle lowers
    then he said
    it would have to leave the factory as a pistol registered lower for you to use it for a pistol build

    so now im thinking WHAT??????

    I thought they just marked the stripped lower rifle or pistol or other, then I can use it for a pistol build

    so now I cant find anyone in gresham that carries pistol lowers

    any help or advice?
     
  2. SCannon

    SCannon Battle Ground, WA Active Member

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    I'm picking up a Pistol lower today from a FFL and it had to be registered as a 'other' and was sent from the manufacture that way. The FFL was unsure as well and called both the manufacture and the ATF. The paperwork was just like a pistol.

    Buy online, most companies offer a 'pistol' lower.
     
  3. Creeper

    Creeper Ravensdale, WA. Member

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    Getting a pistol lower is the same as ordering and buying a handgun... like SCannon says, order it online and have it shipped to your FFL. Follow your FFLs requirements for doing that, like letting them know in advance. :thumbup:

    Cheers,
    C
     
  4. Nwcid

    Nwcid Yakima and N of Spokane Well-Known Member

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    There is no such thing as a pistol or rifle lower that has yet to be built. When you buy a stripped VIRGIN lower it is not a pistol or a rifle as it does not meet the definition of either.

    Markings are not required either to be a pistol. When was the last time you saw a 1911 or Glock with "Pistol" stamped on it?

    IF you dont believe me here is the actual form you have to fill out, http://www.atf.gov/forms/download/atf-f-4473-1.pdf

    Page 5, Question 18......

    This has been the current form for over 2 years now, so not something new.


    ATF has long held (over 10 years now) that ANY virgin receiver can be used to build a pistol.
     
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  5. Unka-Boo

    Unka-Boo Milwaukie Active Member

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    Stipped lower is neither a pistol or rifle. "Other". The FFL needs to do a little better research.
     
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  6. coop44

    coop44 Tacoma ,WA Well-Known Member

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    Unless you want a lower marked "Pistol" complete the paperwork on a stripped lower as a "reciever". If you want a complete pistol lower it will have to be ordered and registered as a handgun.

    Don't take my advice or anyone elses call BATF do not take any chances.
     
  7. markmx

    markmx Brooks, OR Member

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    Take coop44 advice, it's good to go.
     
  8. Nwcid

    Nwcid Yakima and N of Spokane Well-Known Member

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    Still is an "other" until built into a pistol or a rifle...... Something that does not meet the definition of pistol or rifle can not be either......... This came about because you have to be over 21 to own an "other". So people were putting stocks on AR lowers to make them "long guns" and according to the ATF a long gun has to have a 16" + barrel and a stocked receiver does not meet that definition.

    I can stamp/paint "Pistol" on any gun I want, but that still does not legally make it a pistol. Also it is legal to switch between pistol and rifle now assuming you started with a pistol.


    While that sounds like good advice it really is not. First depending on who you get on the phone they probably dont know the answer. Second even if they tell you one thing and you do it and they are wrong, you are still liable for it. The only reasonably sure way if you dont want to go with all the letters and forms already put out by the ATF you need to write them. When you get a letter back that says what you are trying to do is legal you should be good to go. Of course even the ATF has "changed their mind" and reversed those too.......
     
  9. SCannon

    SCannon Battle Ground, WA Active Member

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    Here is the finished pistol build, since we were talking about it today. And yes the lower is registered as a 'other'.

    View attachment 43195
     
  10. OsterAC

    OsterAC Tacoma, WA/Silverton, OR New Member

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    Nice! Minus optics, would you share what it cost to put it together? :D
     
  11. SCannon

    SCannon Battle Ground, WA Active Member

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    No problems

    Mark's Armory upper - $300 I got on NWF used with the BCG - New they are about $450
    New Frontier Complete Pistol Lower - $150
    FFL transfer was $30
    553 Optic - $100

    So I'm in it for about $480 without the optic
     
  12. OsterAC

    OsterAC Tacoma, WA/Silverton, OR New Member

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    Thanks! Wow, I have more than that sitting on my desk right now! I've been debating on what to do next, and this really reassures me on the idea of another AR build. Mark's Armory seems to be out of stock on their uppers, but you gave me a good starting point. Only $100 for the optic, huh? I already have a red-dot ready to mount, but it's good to know.
     
  13. SCannon

    SCannon Battle Ground, WA Active Member

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    Yeah, I'm still a little cautious about the optic its a clone of the EOTech 553, but I will go put a 100 rounds through it on Saturday, if it holds a zero then I will be a little optimistic.
     
  14. Reco

    Reco Portland Oregon Active Member

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    I know of a guy at a Pawn shop that bought a bunch of Stripped Mega Lowers some pistol some rifle. He was selling them for like 139.00 plus 10 dollar background. Pistol Lowers were marked as Pistol.

    Money Market 13607 Southeast Powell Boulevard Portland, OR 97236 (503) 760-6052.
     
  15. biggie24420

    biggie24420 Beaverton Oregon Well-Known Member

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    I would get a virgin lower (a lower that was never assembled/built) and just for kicks and giggles I would get PISTOL engraved on it somewhere and build my pistol (I am not clear on having it registered as a pistol)..... if anyone sees a problem with what I said please feel free to correct me.
     
  16. iamme

    iamme Lane County Well-Known Member

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    No problem other than a waste of time and money.
    Why is this confusing people?? A STRIPPED LOWER HAS NEVER BEEN BUILT AND IS THEREFORE NOTHING BUT A RECEIVER...AKA; OTHER. You can engrave super duper laser ray gun with unobtanium Costa beard powers. Doesn't change anything it's still a lower.
     
  17. Nwcid

    Nwcid Yakima and N of Spokane Well-Known Member

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    As stated before when was the last time you saw "pistol" stamped on ANY production handgun? Including ones based off rifles? So why is this handgun any different?

    I wrote pistol in my mash potatoes once, still didn't make them a pistol...........
     
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