Break-action shotgun pic thread.

[LandArch206]

Won't have a photo to post until next week, but I've inherited a Waffen Dschulnigg side-by-side 12 ga., nicely engraved, built in Salzburg, Austria. I can find little information about this manufacturer on the internet. I do know the company is a very small, almost custom gun maker known more for their side by side rifles. Would appreciate hearing from anyone with knowledge about the company and their firearms and maybe value?

 

[ilikegunspdx]

Won't have a photo to post until next week, but I've inherited a Waffen Dschulnigg side-by-side 12 ga., nicely engraved, built in Salzburg, Austria. I can find little information about this manufacturer on the internet. I do know the company is a very small, almost custom gun maker known more for their side by side rifles. Would appreciate hearing from anyone with knowledge about the company and their firearms and maybe value?

Is it side lock or box lock? Ejectors or extractors? Nitro N proof mark steel barrels or Damascus? 2 1/2" or 2 3/4" chambers or other?

 

[DeanMk]

Won't have a photo to post until next week, but I've inherited a Waffen Dschulnigg side-by-side 12 ga., nicely engraved, built in Salzburg, Austria. I can find little information about this manufacturer on the internet. I do know the company is a very small, almost custom gun maker known more for their side by side rifles. Would appreciate hearing from anyone with knowledge about the company and their firearms and maybe value?

First off, welcome to the site.
Second, wouldn't "waffen" relate to a gun being pressed into military service?
I'm wondering if it isn't a pilots survival gun?
The German's made some beautiful survival guns during that time.

 

[ilikegunspdx]

First off, welcome to the site.
Second, wouldn't "waffen" relate to a gun being pressed into military service?
I'm wondering if it isn't a pilots survival gun?
The German's made some beautiful survival guns during that time.

I think it's just their name. Fe

Bonhams : A 20 gauge Austrian guild sideplated boxlock ejector gun by Waffen-Dschulnigg of Salzburg

Serial no. 402429, 20 gauge. 26 inch blued barrels with matte rib marked Waffen Dschulnigg, Salzburg and Made in Austria . Two silver beads. Rib extension. Ejectors. Non-automatic safety. French grey sideplated boxlock action engraved with scrollwork and panel scenes: left side, pointer and...

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Mauser 98 Rifle 30-06 Springfield

Engraved Waffen Dschulnigg Mauser Bolt Action RifleMarked "WAFFEN DSCHULNIGG SALZBURG, AUSTRIA" on top of the barrel with ramped beaded blade front and fixed rear notch sights, standard Austrian commercial proofs, and "50" proof date on the barrel and receiver. The receiver has a matted ring...

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[DeanMk]

I think it's just their name. Fe
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Bonhams : A 20 gauge Austrian guild sideplated boxlock ejector gun by Waffen-Dschulnigg of Salzburg

Serial no. 402429, 20 gauge. 26 inch blued barrels with matte rib marked Waffen Dschulnigg, Salzburg and Made in Austria . Two silver beads. Rib extension. Ejectors. Non-automatic safety. French grey sideplated boxlock action engraved with scrollwork and panel scenes: left side, pointer and...

www.bonhams.com

Mauser 98 Rifle 30-06 Springfield

Engraved Waffen Dschulnigg Mauser Bolt Action RifleMarked "WAFFEN DSCHULNIGG SALZBURG, AUSTRIA" on top of the barrel with ramped beaded blade front and fixed rear notch sights, standard Austrian commercial proofs, and "50" proof date on the barrel and receiver. The receiver has a matted ring...

www.rockislandauction.com

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Thanks.

 

[LandArch206]

I believe the company was started in 1946, so right after WWII. With 28.5" barrels would have been awkward to maneuver in a cockpit. I believe Waffen simply translates as arms or weapons. On this particular shotgun I cannot find a serial number, looked all over it but just not finding any. Gun shows some wear and there is a spot of rust on the tip of one of the barrels, but still attractive.

 

[ilikegunspdx]

I believe the company was started in 1946, so right after WWII. With 28.5" barrels would have been awkward to maneuver in a cockpit. I believe Waffen simply translates as arms or weapons. On this particular shotgun I cannot find a serial number, looked all over it but just not finding any. Gun shows some wear and there is a spot of rust on the tip of one of the barrels, but still attractive.

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Nice box lock with nice engraving. Maybe take a look at the stock near the reciever to see if those 2 lines are cracks or not. Hard to tell from photo. Surprised it doesn't use greener crossbolt.

If you take the barrels off and look on both the underside of the barrels and also the top of the receiver where the barrels lie, both should have many proof marks and numbers. Numbers besides serial number are usually dates and measurements for chamber length, choke, gauge, etc. proofs are for all sorts of things. 1946 it's gonna be nitro rated which is good.

 

[DeanMk]

I believe the company was started in 1946, so right after WWII. With 28.5" barrels would have been awkward to maneuver in a cockpit. I believe Waffen simply translates as arms or weapons. On this particular shotgun I cannot find a serial number, looked all over it but just not finding any. Gun shows some wear and there is a spot of rust on the tip of one of the barrels, but still attractive.

Yeah, I guess it wasn't a survival gun. Here's what I was thinking of...

The M30 Drilling and the Luftwaffe Shotgun

The M30 drillings and the Luftwaffe shotguns issued to German aces during the North African Campaign are some of the rarest and unique arms of WW2.

www.rockislandauction.com

As for no serial #'s, it could be the same case as my brother's Mauser.
So back in the 60's, my brother picked up an 1895 Chilean Mauser in 7mm.
There's no serial's on it, either, but there are a letter/number sequence that appears on almost all of the parts of the gun.
I've learned that these "part #'s" can be used like a pseudo-serial # to determine the approx. date of when the gun was made.
So that might be something to look for, I guess, to get ya started.

 

[LandArch206]

Someone recommended removing the fore-end to check for identifying marks on barrels...great solution, thank you.
Bohler-Blitz-Stahl were/are the barrel makers and now I have a serial number. Thank you

 

[ilikegunspdx]

Someone recommended removing the fore-end to check for identifying marks on barrels...great solution, thank you.
Bohler-Blitz-Stahl were/are the barrel makers and now I have a serial number. Thank you

I think the number refers to the gun is the 677th gun (or maybe 677th smoothbore?) proofed in 1940 from that proof house. It's likely not the serial number. The proof house mark (if that what it is) could be researched to see where it was proofed if you want. Date woudl be during wwii technically.

Also look at the reciever where the barrels lay (the water table). Often there are more proof marks, serial number, date, individual smith's initials, or measurements there. I'm not familiar with Austrian proofs at all but you can often look them up to get more info. Nitro proof is key if it's an old gun but if it's a 1940 gun it won't be an issue. Example Austrian proofs:

I'm guessing the proof shown in pic is older version of the smoothbore steel shot proof but just a guess

 

[DeanMk]

Re: Bohler-Blitz-Stahl

It should be noted that "Blitz" translates from German as "Lightning" in English.
Also, "Stahl" translates to "Steel"
"Lightning Steel" was a trademark of the Bohler Steel Company.
Could be their reference that the barrels are NOT Damascus Steel.

 

[GuyM]

I've had this 20 gauge "Ithaca" double barrel since I was a kid in 1969. Made in Japan by SKB. It was a gift from Dad. The past 10 or 15 years, my youngest son uses it most often. Barrels are choked improved cylinder and modified. It's been duck hunting, but mostly it's been used for upland bird hunting; pheasant, chukar, quail and grouse.



Regards, Guy

 

[ilikegunspdx]

These little bastards were on sale for $288 shipped last week so couldn't resist. Every time I get a break action shotgun my first thought is I want to get more of them.


Engraving and stock fitment is not bad imo. Especially for price range.

 

[GuyM]

28 gauge CZ side by side, made in Turkey. Heck of a gun for the money. Extremely light and handy. Photos taken while grouse hunting in the Cascades last fall:

 

[DeanMk]

28 gauge CZ side by side, made in Turkey. Heck of a gun for the money. Extremely light and handy. Photos taken while grouse hunting in the Cascades last fall:

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Nice!
Is it a Bobwhite or a Sharp Tail?

 

[Bolt_308]

28 gauge CZ side by side, made in Turkey. Heck of a gun for the money. Extremely light and handy. Photos taken while grouse hunting in the Cascades last fall:

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Right but where are your hammers???

Picked up this CZ Hammer Coach last week- have to say, VERY impressed with the shotgun, but also the packaging. In a world where $2k+ guns now come in crappy cardboard boxes, CZ is still giving you a quality solid hard case, and then packaging each piece separately in a padded cloth sleeve, to protect the finish. Felt like a premium experience unboxing it and putting it together! I need to work on slicking it up, as things are still pretty tight, but these CZ shotguns seem very nice!

 

[GuyM]

Nice!
Is it a Bobwhite or a Sharp Tail?

Sharp Tail. Bobwhite has a straight grip stock.

Regards, Guy

 

[DeanMk]

Sharp Tail. Bobwhite has a straight grip stock.

Regards, Guy

Thanks, I didn't know that. =)

 

[Xrperry]

Got a first year Winchester red letter pig tail 12 gauge(first 3 pics) and a older Winchester 370 20 gauge

 

[DeanMk]

Got a first year Winchester red letter pig tail 12 gauge(first 3 pics) and a older Winchester 370 20 gauge

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Wow, a red letter pigtail. That's a first year gun (well, first year +). Yours looks like its in pretty nice shape, too. That was a treat to see that. Thanks for posting it.