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BATFE Continues Campaign Against Whistleblowers

Discussion in 'Legal & Political Archive' started by ZigZagZeke, Jul 21, 2012.

  1. ZigZagZeke

    ZigZagZeke Eugene Silver Supporter Silver Supporter 2015 Volunteer

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    This is a great example of the behavior of the bureaucratic, strong-arm thugs who are in charge at BATFE:

     
  2. Riot

    Riot Benton County, Washington Well-Known Member

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    Yeah...well it looks like the Whistleblower Act doesn't really protect public servants.

    Whistleblower Protection Act - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

    Garcetti v. Ceballos - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

    So my understanding is that if you are a civilian and see something unsafe it is your obligation to report it and you can even make it publically known- and you will be protected from any type of retaliation through the whistleblower act. However, if you are a government employee or public servant, this does not apply and you are not protected.

    What a load of crap!
     
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  3. dmancornell

    dmancornell Portland, OR New Member

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    The house always wins.
     
  4. Tangent123123

    Tangent123123 Battle Ground Active Member

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    So government employees are not protected under the first ammendment, but when called on the carpet to explain themselves in their jobs, they are protected by the fifth?

    "public employees are not speaking as citizens when they are speaking to fulfill a responsibility of their job. "

    Should that statement apply when they are asked to explain themselves regarding Gunrunner? Or is this a selective game we're playing here?
     
  5. Dunerunner

    Dunerunner You'll Never Know Well-Known Member

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    The walls are beginning to crumble, my friends.....They are scared and are using all the leverage they have to attempt to prevent complete collapse.
     
  6. drew

    drew OR Well-Known Member

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    The collapse should be very entertaining.
     
  7. biggie24420

    biggie24420 Beaverton Oregon Well-Known Member

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  8. strick

    strick McMinnville Oregon Member

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    I know this is a bit off topic, but OHSA does not protect any public workers either, the states have had to enact state level OHSA standards that mirror the feds to include public workers. I am not sure what states do not have no such protection, I think Texas is one of them that choose not to protect all workers.
     
  9. Riot

    Riot Benton County, Washington Well-Known Member

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    You should read that case law I mentioned (Garcetti vs Ceballos)...it is quite interesting the stance that the courts have on it. It pretty much says "government employees are subject to scrutiny, if you don't play ball with the rest of us then you will be punished for it". Garcetti was an assistant DA that brought a warrant into question to his superiors. When they told him to "kick rocks" he actually testified on behalf of the defendant. After that, he was passed over for promotion and constantly reassigned. He felt that he was being punished for raising the flags about the warrant and filed suit. The courts stated that he was a government employee and couldn't say or do what he wanted, therefore he wasn't protected under the constitution while performing his job (seeing the flaw here?). The 9th Court apealed the decision, but the supreme court ruled in favor of the original findings and stated that government employees and public servants aren't protected under the 1st Amendment while performing their jobs.

    I get why some of it applies (if I was a cop I couldn't just call you a name without repricussion). However, I don't get how if you see something go wrong (your partner beats someone without cause) how you shouldn't be able to report them. It basically says that if you do, and you are retaliatted against by your employeer for it- then tough luck.