AIs simulating atomic exchange ...

[The Heretic]

I think it would more likely be something like AI's robot slaves putting fentanyl in the water supply

There ia a new synthetic that is more powerful than fentanyl: N-Desethyl isotonitazene

 

[Cavedweller]

There ia a new synthetic that is more powerful than fentanyl: N-Desethyl isotonitazene

I remember reading about another compound called carfentanyl that is 100 times stronger than fentanyl. As I recall a shipment large enough to kill the entire population of Canada several times over was intercepted in Vancouver, B.C. several years ago.

 

[10mm]

Morality is what seems to be lacking or absent in these AI systems. They run at full throttle with no brakes and a minimal steering device.
We have created thinking machines that may be able to someday sustain themselves without human interaction, but also built them without human emotions, such as hope for the future and fond remembrance of the past. The lack of respect for humankind must be corrected in the design, capabilities, and programming of these tools. Which were sold as a time and labor saver.

We can write programs, but who is able to interpret how the machines perceive our base instructions, once they start teaching themselves. Humans learn how to act properly, through experience, but we also learn the consequences of acting improperly. I do not see or hear about any consequences for an AI system making things worse for humans, or rewards for making it better. They are not motivated by money, happiness, or the afterlife, but for all we know, they could be motivated to protect their own importance and existence. At what cost down the road, and who will ask if anybody designed a mechanical as opposed to electronic safety catch for any of the systems. I surely can see some benefits, but to me the risks have not been properly calculated.

 

[Hawaiian]

They will pull the plug on AI once it tells the politicians/elected officials that their ideologies/policies will fail and cause harm to all.

 

[Andy54Hawken]

Something else to consider here....

You can't trust Atoms....
They make up everything....

Andy

 

[VinnieBoomBah]

Isn't it amazing how environmental concerns go out the window when it comes to powering AI, but humans must accept power plant shutdowns and rolling blackouts because ... climate change?

What's actually amazing is that you appear to think that the group of people that have been screaming about climate change are in any way, shape or form in favor of powering AI!
Climate Activist as a group hate the AI data centers and would love to see them all shut down while the group that wants to build and power all the AI data centers appear to hate people in general

 

[VinnieBoomBah]

They will pull the plug on AI once it tells the politicians/elected officials that their ideologies/policies will fail and cause harm to all.

Grok keeps doing that to Elon and he keeps rebooting it

 

[Provincial]

Wait until AI believes in "Jannah" and bringing the End of Times will equal perfection.

 

[Provincial]

Ah yes, the ol "this other thing we also did was crappy so that first thing is now less crappy" argument

Numbers on a page, right?

Well, avoiding the death of about 6 million Japanese by providing food is just numbers on a page, right?

The 1945 rice crop had failed, and that is how many would have died from starvation. But that doesn't count?

 

[TTSX]

Well, avoiding the death of about 6 million Japanese by providing food is just numbers on a page, right?

The 1945 rice crop had failed, and that is how many would have died from starvation. But that doesn't count?

Intentionally bombing civilians is an abhorrent choice, full stop. I don't care how many "might" have died from starvation because they didn't so it's speculation at best.

 

[OnWalkAbout]

 

[Provincial]

Intentionally bombing civilians is an abhorrent choice, full stop. I don't care how many "might" have died from starvation because they didn't so it's speculation at best.

So, since the Japanese killed 300,000 people, almost all civilians, in Nanking, using rifles, bayonets, and swords it doesn't count?

The Hiroshima Peace Museum has an exhibit that deplores the use of the Atomic bomb because it was "impersonal." Compare that to the very personal killings in Nanking. And millions more in the conquests of Japan.

And Nanking is just the tip of the iceberg of deaths in the China Theater of WW2.

Lives saved are just speculation? One person who lived in Japan just after the end of the War told me that the Japanese people were more thankful for that food than anything else they had experienced. The "victims" knew what mercy meant. Their previous government was willing to sacrifice them for "honor."

 

[TTSX]

So, since the Japanese killed 300,000 people, almost all civilians, in Nanking, using rifles, bayonets, and swords it doesn't count?

The Hiroshima Peace Museum has an exhibit that deplores the use of the Atomic bomb because it was "impersonal." Compare that to the very personal killings in Nanking. And millions more in the conquests of Japan.

And Nanking is just the tip of the iceberg of deaths in the China Theater of WW2.

Lives saved are just speculation? One person who lived in Japan just after the end of the War told me that the Japanese people were more thankful for that food than anything else they had experienced. The "victims" knew what mercy meant. Their previous government was willing to sacrifice them for "honor."

Where in the world did I say people who actually died didn't "count"? The fact that you're defending nuking civilians is appalling. Regardless of actions taken beforehand or in tandem. Goodness gracious, guy.

 

[sobo]

Great flick!

 

[Andy54Hawken]

In regards to the Atomic bombing of Japan during WWII....

At the time , there was considerable and justifiable concerns over Allied casualty rates in the event of a Allied invasion of Japan.
To be blunt...
Japanese civilian lives did not out weigh the potential cost in Allied losses.

Nowadays it is easy to say that perhaps those projected Allied losses weren't an accurate reflection of the situation.
However....hindsight is 20/20 as they say...and it is important to remember that we did the best we could with the information we had at that time.

Please note the above is not say that those Japanese civilian losses did not or does not matter....
'Cause they do.
I truly hope we never see the likes of this again.
Andy

 

[TTSX]

In regards to the Atomic bombing of Japan during WWII....

At the time , there was considerable and justifiable concerns over Allied casualty rates in the event of a Allied invasion of Japan.
To be blunt...
Japanese civilian lives did not out weigh the potential cost in Allied losses.

Nowadays it is easy to say that perhaps those projected Allied losses weren't an accurate reflection of the situation.
However....hindsight is 20/20 as they say...and it is important to remember that we did the best we could with the information we had at that time.

Please note the above is not say that those Japanese civilian losses did not or does not matter....
'Cause they do.
I truly hope we never see the likes of this again.
Andy

Precisely. Well said.

 

[Diamondback]

Also the prime targets were valid military targets. Not only was Hiroshima a major naval yard, it held the Southern Military District Headquarters that was drawing up the defensive plans against Operation Olympic - so close to Ground Zero that I believe it ight as well have been Primary. ALl the planning docs and planners vaporized.

Nagasaki was a major munitions plant where the torpedoes at Pearl Harbor were made. People should do a little more research on what was happening where and when in Japan before talking out their turdpipes.

 

[CamoDeafie]

Also the prime targets were valid military targets. Not only was Hiroshima a major naval yard, it held the Southern Military District Headquarters that was drawing up the defensive plans against Operation Olympic - so close to Ground Zero that I believe it ight as well have been Primary. ALl the planning docs and planners vaporized.

Nagasaki was a major munitions plant where the torpedoes at Pearl Harbor were made. People should do a little more research on what was happening where and when in Japan before talking out their turdpipes.

What, you mean they raised civilian towns around the military bases/locations? My word, who would have thought!?

Edit. It's like dropping a nuke on Bremerton or Bangor Base, JBLM, Boeing and then generations later we're all talking about them nuking Seattle

 

[Cavedweller]

What's actually amazing is that you appear to think that the group of people that have been screaming about climate change are in any way, shape or form in favor of powering AI!

I didn't say anything about "climate activists." My comment was in reference to those in positions of government who force the shutdown of coal and gas fired power plants that serve the general public because "fossil fuels bad," yet at the same time permit the construction of new power plants dedicated solely to powering the data centers. Your amazement is unfounded.

 

[VinnieBoomBah]

I didn't say anything about "climate activists." My comment was in reference to those in positions of government who force the shutdown of coal and gas fired power plants that serve the general public because "fossil fuels bad," yet at the same time permit the construction of new power plants dedicated solely to powering the data centers. Your amazement is unfounded.

Cool, but still pretty sure that "those in positions of government who force(d) the shutdown of coal and gas fired power plants that serve the general public because "fossil fuels bad" are not the ones currently in power and pushing for data centers and the associated need for new power plants and I am also real sure that the ones currently in power do not believe in man caused climate change