I want to shoot like a champ!

[Mikej]

Nice shooting Mike! I have never got 3 to touch yet, I've got as close as you can get no doubt.

Me neither! I can't help but think that I shot just the same, but missed that close? Going to the range today to test the new muzzle device, or, as "Swiss Products" call it, a "Pressure Diverter".

 

[CD Smith]

Welcome...
One thing you might try is have someone else load the magazine or whatever you're using at the time.
Load some live rounds and some snap Caps... You don't know what they are but it helps teach proper trigger control/
Breathing and overcoming flinch if haven't already... Good luck!

 

[chadkboggs]

Welcome...
One thing you might try is have someone else load the magazine or whatever you're using at the time.
Load some live rounds and some snap Caps... You don't know what they are but it helps teach proper trigger control/
Breathing and overcoming flinch if haven't already... Good luck!

We do something similar. Buddy hands you the rifle when you are ready to shoot, you don't know if one is chambered or not.

 

[CD Smith]

Typical acceptable accuracy at 200... 5 shots

 

[chadkboggs]

Typical acceptable accuracy at 200... 5 shots

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Mind blowing! At 200 even! I hate you, great shooting bro! Still hate you.
JK!!

 

[CD Smith]

Mind blowing! At 200 even! I hate you, great shooting bro! Still hate you.
JK!!

Thank you, doesn't come easy or cheap...
Former firearms designer/manufacturer, so it's a bit unfair. Not something the average person is capable of...
However there are many things that can be done improve yourself or equipment with less cost.
The rifle that shot that group and many like it are thousands of dollars.
Smaller caliber setups tend to be easier to make accurate, flat based bullets tend to be less finicky and often easier to load accurately for, especially with a muzzle brake...
Think of the rifle as a tuning fork, changing your load changes the timing of things moving around pressure waves... And only try one thing at a time, take good measurements and try and stay as consistent as possible.

 

[fredball]

Welcome Aboard

 

[Quirt Evans]

Think of the rifle as a tuning fork, changing your load changes the timing of things moving around pressure waves...

You brought up an important point.
The barrel vibrates in a roughly circular motion with "nodes" in its pattern(s).
When we can get the bullet to exit the barrel while the barrel is at the same place in its pattern then accuracy is enhanced.

 

[chadkboggs]

Thank you, doesn't come easy or cheap...
Former firearms designer/manufacturer, so it's a bit unfair. Not something the average person is capable of...
However there are many things that can be done improve yourself or equipment with less cost.
The rifle that shot that group and many like it are thousands of dollars.
Smaller caliber setups tend to be easier to make accurate, flat based bullets tend to be less finicky and often easier to load accurately for, especially with a muzzle brake...
Think of the rifle as a tuning fork, changing your load changes the timing of things moving around pressure waves... And only try one thing at a time, take good measurements and try and stay as consistent as possible.

You words do not fall on deaf ears. I have been thinking about what you said and I have managed to scratch up 33 of 200g Nosler Accubond. Still a boat tail I know, but it's a shorter boat tail compared to the 200g ELDX. I would like to know your thoughts please? Not looking for pin-hole accuracy, I would be happy with under .75" at 100 yds. Where my brothers and I will be elk hunting this year there will hopefully have opportunities to shoot at 300-500 yds. My "under pressure"limit lies between the 250-325 yds range, but I will be honest I would try a farther shot given the time to set up.

 

[CD Smith]

You brought up an important point.
The barrel vibrates in a roughly circular motion with "nodes" in its pattern(s).
When we can get the bullet to exit the barrel while the barrel is at the same place in its pattern then accuracy is enhance

You words do not fall on deaf ears. I have been thinking about what you said and I have managed to scratch up 33 of 200g Nosler Accubond. Still a boat tail I know, but it's a shorter boat tail compared to the 200g ELDX. I would like to know your thoughts please? Not looking for pin-hole accuracy, I would be happy with under .75" at 100 yds. Where my brothers and I will be elk hunting this year there will hopefully have opportunities to shoot at 300-500 yds. My "under pressure"limit lies between the 250-325 yds range, but I will be honest I would try a farther shot given the time to set up.

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Hard to offer anything very helpful without knowing all the specifics and what tools you have to work with, powder , primers, what gun, stock, barrel, and the like. Seems like the accubonds didn't like to jump a whole lot, so seating closer to the lands might help a bunch. Some chambers won't allow that, too much freebore.
Don't chase velocity, look for small deviation nodes.
With only 33 bullets, you're not going to be able to do much load development. Hopefully you have some powder that's not temp sensitive.
Use good brass that was fired in the same chamber.
Do you have load Data?
Sorry I can't give you anything concrete, just some thoughts...

 

[Stomper]

Welcome to the forum.

Want to shoot like a champ....easy...practice.

In any event...
It may be best to shoot as well as you can...and not wonder how the other guy is shooting.
Simply make your next shot better than you last shot.
Andy

You forgot one important principle.




You must BE the bullet….

 

[64MercurysRule]

View: https://youtu.be/3gQwY5Np4FA?si=XCiPJ2r0rgo9ktnp

 

[chadkboggs]

Thank you, doesn't come easy or cheap...
Former firearms designer/manufacturer, so it's a bit unfair. Not something the average person is capable of...
However there are many things that can be done improve yourself or equipment with less cost.
The rifle that shot that group and many like it are thousands of dollars.
Smaller caliber setups tend to be easier to make accurate, flat based bullets tend to be less finicky and often easier to load accurately for, especially with a muzzle brake...
Think of the rifle as a tuning fork, changing your load changes the timing of things moving around pressure waves... And only try one thing at a time, take good measurements and try and stay as consistent as possible.

Hard to offer anything very helpful without knowing all the specifics and what tools you have to work with, powder , primers, what gun, stock, barrel, and the like. Seems like the accubonds didn't like to jump a whole lot, so seating closer to the lands might help a bunch. Some chambers won't allow that, too much freebore.
Don't chase velocity, look for small deviation nodes.
With only 33 bullets, you're not going to be able to do much load development. Hopefully you have some powder that's not temp sensitive.
Use good brass that was fired in the same chamber.
Do you have load Data?
Sorry I can't give you anything concrete, just some thoughts...

I am educated in loading, and have a basic setup. I am very slow and technical. I will be using H1000 REM 9/5 mag primer, peterson brass. Must likely going to use the "Eric Cortina" method of finding the lands. I will load 10 rounds in .3g increments and shoot groups of two through a fouled barrel. After all 10 are shot I will look at point of impact as nd velocity to determine a possible node.

 

[CD Smith]

I am educated in loading, and have a basic setup. I am very slow and technical. I will be using H1000 REM 9/5 mag primer, peterson brass. Must likely going to use the "Eric Cortina" method of finding the lands. I will load 10 rounds in .3g increments and shoot groups of two through a fouled barrel. After all 10 are shot I will look at point of impact as nd velocity to determine a possible node.

Looks like you're figuring things out in a good way, and have a proper mindset. I've never met Eric, however he's a competition shooter as you know and those guys are always trying to gain an edge, doing lots of experimenting. Very expensive and time consuming, excellent source of information!
However he's also a business man and trying to make money so... Use caution!
I'm sure you'll be successful and I wish you well!

 

[chadkboggs]

Looks like you're figuring things out in a good way, and have a proper mindset. I've never met Eric, however he's a competition shooter as you know and those guys are always trying to gain an edge, doing lots of experimenting. Very expensive and time consuming, excellent source of information!
However he's also a business man and trying to make money so... Use caution!
I'm sure you'll be successful and I wish you well!

Appreciate you! Safe travels and safe shooting…

 

[maerdlong]

Welcome.
Jerry Miculek was speaking of handguns, but the same applies to rifles.
Paraphrasing: "If you want to be a top shooter you need to be the first at the range in the morning,
and the last to leave in the evening".

So I need to get a job at the range?