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Two years since the last grouping went up, and this community gobbled up all 20 in a month. Finally, with Covid restrictions easing off and customs operating at full tilt again, more muskets passed through and are for sale. I only have 15 for sale, so grab them before someone else does. As with all muzzleloaders, no FFL transfers required. Show up with cash, walk home with a brand new musket. No muss, no fuss. Get some friends involved, learn how absolutely devastating a volley can be. Hell, buy some extras and take them to a gun show. I guarantee they'll sell for more than I'm asking.

These kits are imported from the same manufacturer (Rajasthan Armory) that supplies Veteran Arms, Loyalist and Military Heritage. They import them, stain the stocks, drill the touch-hole, clean up the grease, and sell them off for $900 or more. I went a different route, and I sell them as what I refer to as '90% complete kits'. I haven't stained the stocks, or drilled the touchhole (1/16" drill bit, for those wondering, easiest gunsmithing you'll do in your life, it takes 5 minutes), or cleaned the grease. I'm selling them for $550. If an afternoon of work is worth $350 to you, by all means, go purchase from the shops. Best of luck finding any in stock, they've been out of stock on these for 2 years, with backorders stretching into the hundreds! For those of you who'd rather use that $340 on more lead to send downrange, read on.


First up, the cream of the crop, the Brown Bess Short Land. You might think your .308 is a hefty round, wait until you hold a .69 caliber lead ball meant for this absolute monster. The Brown Bess, chambered in .75 caliber, has seen more wars than the AK and M4 combined, and was instrumental in building one of the largest empires the world has ever known. If you're reading this, chances are high, you live in a country that Britain colonized, conquered or subjugated in their bid for world domination. These muskets saw action on every continent and in every army for over 100 years. For a century, the Brown Bess was the standard to be beaten by other nations. Forget the AK, the Bess beat back Napoleon, it decimated Scottish rebels, it tore gaps in American lines, it send Spaniards running, it brought all of India to heel. Robust, durable, slim and lightweight, the Bess, more than any muzzleloader in history, has influenced world affairs. Now is your chance to own one. I have exactly five for sale, when they're gone, they're gone.



Next up, the one I don't think will last the month's end. The 1795 Springfield; America's first domestic military weapon. Long after the Revolutionary War, Congress finally got off its collective arse (I know, Congress taking forever, I was shocked too, so unlike our modern politicians...), and decided it was time to stop importing French arms, and produce a domestic one. They all but copied, to the inch, the French 1766 Charleville, which saw so much action in the American Revolution as one of the American's primary weapons, and produced the 1795 'contract musket'. It had no markings, no dates, it was as bare bones as could be, for the new nation of the USA could barely afford to pay its soldiers, much less equip its armory with proper stamps. While it might be simple, it is based off one of the best muskets ever made. Barrel bands instead of pinning allow a soldier to dis-assemble and clean it in the field, a novelty at the time. The .69 caliber barrel allowed for more cartridges to be carried per man, without losing much of the stopping power of the English .75 caliber muskets. I have five for sale.


These are all echoes of history forgotten by most. They are brand new kits, so you don't have to worry about whether the previous owner oiled it, or cleaned it, or kept it from rusting. It is a fresh slate. Regarding the work to be done:

-Stain the stock. These stocks are made of teak, whereas historically they would be made of walnut. While teak is a tough wood, it doesn't 'look' right. A simple $6 can of walnut stain from Home Depot fixes this. Alternatively, I never bothered to stain my personal muskets. It doesn't affect performance at all.

-Drill the touch-hole. You'll need a vise, a 1/16" drill bit, and a drill. I can walk you through the process over email, or in person. It really is as simple as can be. They're imported without this drilled to stop these muskets being labelled as weapons. Pedersoli sells the same firearms for $1,700, and a good portion of that is because they arrive in the USA with that touch-hole drilled. Weapons cost a lot more to move nation-to-nation. Some of you have purchased swords from me with blunt edges for the exact same reason.

-Clean up the grease. These are packed in some serious grease to survive their journey overseas without damage or rust. It's just like any other gun grease, just more robust.

-Stamps. These aren't necessary but are historically accurate. There are several companies around the USA offering their services to stamp everything properly as it would have appeared at the time.



I can happily point you to shops selling bullets, powder and flint, but for those taking this to its extreme, all of these are easy to find on your own. Roofing companies often give lead sheeting away free, a lead bullet mold is $30 on Ebay, you can produce your own powder with $40 of equipment, and flint can be found along most rivers. I have fired homemade powder, homemade lead and found-on-the-ground flints before, and gotten my shots down to a nickel a shot. Get that price out of your AR!


Own a piece of history. This is one firearm you'll want to mount over the fireplace, and take with you to the range every time. Everyone has an AR-15 and a Glock, and this forum is choked with them, all exactly the same. How dull! How many of your friends own a genuine flintlock? How many of your friends hold a piece of American history? I thought so.

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I've been looking at these for awhile and trying to find an English trade gun/pnw trade musket, any tips on how I could find those?
 
For specific items like that your best bet is going to be veteran arms, loyalist arms, or military heritage for low cost.

Be advised that you definitely get what you pay for in this hobby. The rifle shoppe has the best replica in my opinion, but it's an easy $1200, on top of you having to do quite a lot of work to it.

I don't have a ton of experience with civilian firearms since I trend mostly on the military side but that's my best advice for you. Good luck!

If you ever want to explore the military side, nothing beats a Bess!
 
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