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Saia 12 Build??

Discussion in 'Rifle Discussion' started by JOePOe, Mar 7, 2012.

  1. JOePOe

    JOePOe Beaverton New Member

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    Hello, kinda new here........I want to build a nice home defense/tactical Saiga 12. I dont want to buy one-strip it down-then throw most of it away if i dont have too?? any thoughts?? complete receiver kits?? dunno
     
  2. trainsktg

    trainsktg Portland OR Well-Known Member

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    Unfortunately, you have to buy a complete Saiga to build a Saiga. Russian-made parts by themselves are essentially non-existant on the retail market. The good news is you can buy the rifle, replace the buttstock, add a PG and a US trigger group and you are done. Anything else is cosmetics. I would recommend Saiga-12.com as a good one-stop source of information on how to rebuild these weapons.

    Before you do all this though, you may want to try one out before you decide you need to rebuild it. Many folks like them just the way they are. I have a Saiga-12 that has been completely rebuilt into an AK-74 clone, but I have a Saigax39 that I've left completely stock because it handles so well.

    The guy at the end of this clip seems quite happy too :) .

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jugm...DvjVQa1PpcFOX7dMTVnFjM_ipxDNECrJDryWUXSkloY0=


    Keith
     
  3. JOePOe

    JOePOe Beaverton New Member

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    Thanks, I don't think I would be that mean to one, but thats pretty cool.......double thumbs!!
     
  4. SICARIO

    SICARIO Oregon City Active Member

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    You're really not losing that much when you strip down a stock saiga, plus the stock parts don't really have any value, so you're not really losing any money either.

    Building them is fun: NW Expeditions: SAIGA 12
     
  5. Stomper

    Stomper Oceania Rising White Is The New Brown Silver Supporter

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    There's a forum member with a thread in the rifle/shotgun classifieds who offers these. I believe his forum name is "nobama", and has good feedback reports on his work... Check it out!
     
  6. Skang

    Skang WA Well-Known Member

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  7. Nwcid

    Nwcid Yakima and N of Spokane Well-Known Member

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    ^ Yes, Tromix is awesom.

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  8. motoman98

    motoman98 Gresham, OR Active Member

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    What I've heard, is that you must have the magical number of american made parts (be 922r compliant), in order to use the large cap mags. If you leave it stock and intend to stay legal, you're stuck with the stock 5 rounders.
     
  9. Flopsweat

    Flopsweat Slightly right of center Well-Known Member

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    This is correct. Best bet is to search Saiga-12.com for "922r compliance". This is from memory, and it's not legal advice, but I believe that the maximum is 10 "evil" parts. What this means is that there are about 14 parts that the gummint is concerned about in a Saiga 12. If you modify your gun ("assemble", I believe, is the official term), you can only have 10 foreign made "evil" parts. Fortunately, 3 of these parts are in the magazine alone. I think 2 are in the trigger. The butstock and forend are also compliance parts. You'll probably want a shorter stock if you're going to move the trigger group forward (and replace it) and add a pistol grip. The bolt and bolt carrier I think are also in play, but folks usually just have the factory carrier reshaped and polished. Well, you see where this is going. If you do a typical conversion you'll probably be fine on 922r compliance, but it's best to know all about it first.

    If you just want to use higher capacity (U.S. made) mags in a stock Saiga, my math says that you could just replace the thread protector on the end of the barrel with a U.S. made break or choke. I did run across a $20 or $30 U.S. made thread protector a few years ago, which might be a pretty inexpensive solution. Dinzag, I think. Never actually bought one, but he has a good reputation.

    My recommendations: AGP 10 round mags, MD Arms 20 round drums (you need one of these! :gun09:), Tapco G2 trigger, Tapco pistol grip. I forget where I got the stock. If the gun has trouble cycling low-power shells like #7 1/2 (common problem), MD Arms sells a gas port adjuster that works great. If that doesn't do the trick, you may need the gas ports opened up and/or the bolt shaped and polished. The advantage of the latter is that it makes inserting a loaded mag on a closed bolt way easier. Also, once you've converted it, shot it, and watched all of your friends go all gaga over it, you may develop a strong urge to start hanging all kinds of tactical bubblegum on it. Just go with it. :cool:

    I also have a bone-stock S12 that I like fine just the way it is.
     
  10. trainsktg

    trainsktg Portland OR Well-Known Member

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    I prefer the five rounders to the tens, so mine has a US trigger group (3 parts), muzzle brake (1 part), PG (1 part) and puck (1 part...the 'piston' as it were).

    Mine: Saiga 12 Magazine Dump - YouTube

    Keith
     
  11. Burt Gummer

    Burt Gummer Portland Completely Out of Ammo

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    Look up Pauly here on the forum for bolt polishing and other services that will let you run cheap ammo and help your S12 run reliably. Local.
     
  12. nobamaplease

    nobamaplease Vancouver, WA. Member

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    If you are interested in getting a Saiga 12 fully converted locally, or having yours converted, I have them in stock or can convert yours in 2 days
    if you want large cap mags, quad rails, muzzle break, MD "V" plug & Puc or any conversion parts - I have them in stock
    polishing, welding and repair are also available services too
    please see my posts;

    http://www.northwestfirearms.com/rifle-shotgun-classifieds/81603-converted-saiga-12-a.html
    or
    http://www.northwestfirearms.com/rifle-shotgun-classifieds/59296-nib-converted-saiga-12-a.html

    the 2nd post has info on 922r compliant

    Thanks Stomper for the kind words