Questions about Form 1 SBR conversion

[LouGubrious]

Thinking about making my AR Pistol into a full fledged SBR because length of pull with a pistol brace does not agree with my ape arms. Couple of questions for folks who have done it before:

1. I understand that I need to provide the overall length of the gun as part of converting from pistol to SBR. Is that the length of the gun as it is with the brace or is it the length it WILL BE once a stock is installed?

2. If I have already completed a Form 4 from purchasing a suppressor, does ATF already have my photo and fingerprints or do I need to find a way to do those again? Suppressor Shop has Form 1 service for 50 bucks and if I have to screw around with finger printing and such, I'll just pay them to avoid the hassle.

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[nehalemguy]

1.) OAL length of what the SBR will be once you get approval and assemble it.

2.) Photos and fingerprints with every application submitted.

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[Moondongle]

If you have a Silencer Shop account and use their Form 1 service, they will submit forms to ATF with fingerprints they have on file.

You will need to engrave the SBR with your name (or company) and city, state since you are now the manufacturer.

 

[ilikegunspdx]

I wish we didn't have to engrave them. I have several I'd like to make sbr/sbs but I really don't want to engrave them.

 

[LouGubrious]

I wish we didn't have to engrave them. I have several I'd like to make sbr/sbs but I really don't want to engrave them.

From what I've seen, a lot of times the engraving is on the inside face of lip of the magazine well. It's there, but you are never going to see it unless you're looking for it.

 

[AshWilliams]

I wish we didn't have to engrave them. I have several I'd like to make sbr/sbs but I really don't want to engrave them.

Mine is next to the magwell and very unobtrusive.

What about the engraving do you dislike?

 

[Moondongle]

I engraved mine in the groove for the extendible stock on my SP5, you only see it when the stock is deployed. Bye Engraving on SW Barbur did a great job.

 

[1775usmc]

Mines right on the side of the magwell. BYE does great work. Then I just spray painted right over the top of it.

 

[Moondongle]

Mines right on the side of the magwell. BYE does great work. Then I just spray painted right over the top of it.

I sprayed some paint into a cap and used a toothpick to dab paint into the engraving. Took me a couple of times, but came out very discreet and looks "factory" made.

 

[orygun]

I wish we didn't have to engrave them. I have several I'd like to make sbr/sbs but I really don't want to engrave them.

Then ya shoulda jumped on the wagon during the "brace amnesty". I did mine then and there is no requirement for engraving.
Oh, and I have the completed, legal forms, but no stamp.

Yeah, none of it makes sense to me.

 

[ilikegunspdx]

Then ya shoulda jumped on the wagon during the "brace amnesty". I did mine then and there is no requirement for engraving.
Oh, and I have the completed, legal forms, but no stamp.

Yeah, none of it makes sense to me.

I did. Massively.

 

[VinnieBoomBah]

Then ya shoulda jumped on the wagon during the "brace amnesty". I did mine then and there is no requirement for engraving.
Oh, and I have the completed, legal forms, but no stamp.

Yeah, none of it makes sense to me.

The amnesty ones didn't need additional engraving because the ATF's position was that they were already SBR's when they 'shipped from the factory' and you were not converting or manufacturing a new SBR, just letting them know what you had so they could add it to the SBR database and do all the normal BGC kind of things.

 

[orygun]

The amnesty ones didn't need additional engraving because the ATF's position was that they were already SBR's when they 'shipped from the factory' and you were not converting or manufacturing a new SBR, just letting them know what you had so they could add it to the SBR database and do all the normal BGC kind of things.

Cool.
But it still makes no sense!

 

[VinnieBoomBah]

Cool.
But it still makes no sense!

No, it really doesn't, but all things considered it was probably the best the ATF could come up with to fix the cluster!@#$ they created

 

[orygun]

No, it really doesn't, but all things considered it was probably the best the ATF could come up with to fix the cluster!@#$ they created

Actually, they SHOULD have done everything the same (stamp, engraving), without the price. Why they would do anything differently is the stupid part.
In the end, I have a legal SBR that looks like it isn't!

 

[VinnieBoomBah]

Actually, they SHOULD have done everything the same (stamp, engraving), without the price. Why they would do anything differently is the stupid part.
In the end, I have a legal SBR that looks like it isn't!

Except that would mean that you were the manufacture of a NEW SBR and their interpretation of the law and their administrative rulings / letters at that time was anything with a brace already an SBR and had always been an SBR and the is no law requiring you to personally engrave a factory SBR that you acquired under a Form 4 and
If you are making a NEW one that would mean that the firearm with the brace was something other than an SBR that you were converting to an SBR and they had already decided that anything with a brace was an SBR and they also had the mess they created with the previous letter saying that adding a brace to DID NOT make a pistol an SBR, so they were stuck, either it was and had always been an SBR which they had told us all we could have or it wasn't an SBR so there was no grounds to force registration

 

[LouGubrious]

The SBR rule was invalid from the moment the pistol ban was stripped out of the act in 1936. It's time for it to go!

 

[3MTA3]

If you don't want your name engraved on the receiver get a NFA trust. This also allows you to designate trustees that can have access. It was worth the small amount of extra money for that reason alone. It also simplifies distribution after death.