Problem with train set in toledo OR

[ilikegunspdx]

Anybody know anything about railroads? It was going from top to bottom of this photo below. Looks like it derailed right where the two tracks come together. Can ice cause the tracks to not switch completely?I don't know anything about it other than looks like ice above the wheels, that middle thing looks like it might be to add weight, and derailment happened where those two tracks come together right before (or at?) the bridge.

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[ilikegunspdx]

They'z goona blame it on ICE.

 

[VinnieBoomBah]

My guess would be lack of maintenance

Aging U.S. railroad bridges self-inspected, findings kept secret

With no public access to railroad inspection reports, warnings of decay, collapse and environmental spills stay hidden By Lex Doig, Jaehee Kim and Adrian Mancera Cota Howard Center for Investigative Journalism at…

cnsmaryland.org

 

[Tlock]

They'z goona blame it on ICE.

Orange man bad!

 

[TTSX]

My guess would be lack of maintenance

Aging U.S. railroad bridges self-inspected, findings kept secret

With no public access to railroad inspection reports, warnings of decay, collapse and environmental spills stay hidden By Lex Doig, Jaehee Kim and Adrian Mancera Cota Howard Center for Investigative Journalism at…

cnsmaryland.org

Fake news. We have the best infrastructure in the world, it's really great. The best. Nobody has ever had better infrastructure. Truly the greatest infrastructure in the history of mankind, it's amazing, just stunning. So beautiful.

 

[lucusloc]

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Anybody know anything about railroads? It was going from top to bottom of this photo below. Looks like it derailed right where the two tracks come together. Can ice cause the tracks to not switch completely?I don't know anything about it other than looks like ice above the wheels, that middle thing looks like it might be to add weight, and derailment happened where those two tracks come together right before (or at?) the bridge.
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I think the middle one is a diesel tender. It carries extra fuel and provides a bit more traction with extra electric motors. I cannot find a picture of one that looks exactly like that so I could be wrong.

As far as Ice locking up switches, yes that is a thing, but I thought most all of them had electronic monitoring now. Dispatch should be alerted if a switch did not set correctly and they would alert the engineer/driver. I am sure accidents and failures happen, but really it could be anything.

That does look like a pretty pickle though. Getting something in there to fix that mess is going to be very non-trivial.

 

[thorborg]

Hope Mr. Yellow jacket is getting hazardous duty pay!

 

[TTSX]

Hope Mr. Yellow jacket is getting hazardous duty pay!

More like a $10 gift card to Starbucks and an extra slice at the yearly pizza party. Because we're family.

 

[monks]

The switch would be trailing points going toward the bridge so even if they ran a switch it wouldn't have derailed. If it was the other way they could have split it and derailed but that's not the case. It looks like only the slug is derailed to me, and not the locomotives. The slug has no engine since there's no fuel tank between the trucks. It's traction motors are powered by one of the locomotives (the left one) and it is equipped with dynamic brakes as well. The slug is a four axle and they derail easier than a road engine that is a three axle truck. A bridge would have guard rails on the inside to keep whatever derails on the bridge. It worked! The slug could have had tread buildup due to someone leaving the handbrake on and the wheel overheating or it could have locked an axle. Being an older emd build it wouldn't have wheel speed sensors and if it wasn't under power or braking it wouldn't have rang a wheel slip alarm. So as far as the condition of the trackage, it is a class b railroad running on a shoe string budget. They generally have low speed limits on these railroads because of the track condition. Oh, and the slug is als referred to as a cow/calf or mother/daughter set.

 

[Tlock]

The switch would be trailing points going toward the bridge so even if they ran a switch it wouldn't have derailed. If it was the other way they could have split it and derailed but that's not the case. It looks like only the slug is derailed to me, and not the locomotives. The slug has no engine since there's no fuel tank between the trucks. It's traction motors are powered by one of the locomotives (the left one) and it is equipped with dynamic brakes as well. The slug is a four axle and they derail easier than a road engine that is a three axle truck. A bridge would have guard rails on the inside to keep whatever derails on the bridge. It worked! The slug could have had tread buildup due to someone leaving the handbrake on and the wheel overheating or it could have locked an axle. Being an older emd build it wouldn't have wheel speed sensors and if it wasn't under power or braking it wouldn't have rang a wheel slip alarm. So as far as the condition of the trackage, it is a class b railroad running on a shoe string budget. They generally have low speed limits on these railroads because of the track condition. Oh, and the slug is als referred to as a cow/calf or mother/daughter set.

You played with toy trains way to much when you where a kid......

 

[monks]

On closer inspection the lead locomotive has a wheel on the ground as well. It drug the slug off when it went. It could have been a broken rail at the bridge due to the road bed sagging. The guy in the vest is trying to figure out how in the blazes he's going to get a crane setup to lift that slug. Depending on how many wheels are off on the leader they might be able to frog it back on and uncouple it, pull
it off the bridge. Then they can bring the crane in on the rail bed.

 

[monks]

You played with toy trains way to much when you where a kid......

I've played with the big ones a lot too, for a very, very long time.

 

[lucusloc]

The switch would be trailing points going toward the bridge so even if they ran a switch it wouldn't have derailed. If it was the other way they could have split it and derailed but that's not the case. It looks like only the slug is derailed to me, and not the locomotives. The slug has no engine since there's no fuel tank between the trucks. It's traction motors are powered by one of the locomotives (the left one) and it is equipped with dynamic brakes as well. The slug is a four axle and they derail easier than a road engine that is a three axle truck. A bridge would have guard rails on the inside to keep whatever derails on the bridge. It worked! The slug could have had tread buildup due to someone leaving the handbrake on and the wheel overheating or it could have locked an axle. Being an older emd build it wouldn't have wheel speed sensors and if it wasn't under power or braking it wouldn't have rang a wheel slip alarm. So as far as the condition of the trackage, it is a class b railroad running on a shoe string budget. They generally have low speed limits on these railroads because of the track condition. Oh, and the slug is als referred to as a cow/calf or mother/daughter set.

Found the train nerd.


. . . go on, I'm here for it.

 

[Pepe-lepew]

My guess would be lack of maintenance

Aging U.S. railroad bridges self-inspected, findings kept secret

With no public access to railroad inspection reports, warnings of decay, collapse and environmental spills stay hidden By Lex Doig, Jaehee Kim and Adrian Mancera Cota Howard Center for Investigative Journalism at…

cnsmaryland.org

The article is not too wrong. The code of federal regulations for railroad bridges is half a page long. For highway bridges, it is several pages long. Railroads are powerful in controlling regulation.

Many railroad bridges in Oregon would be immediately closed if they were highway bridges. Short lines, like this one that derailed, are the worst.

 

[monks]

Found the train nerd.


. . . go on, I'm here for it.

I'm not really a foamer, I just make my living in this field. I've dealt with all kinds of locomotives and cars.

 

[VinnieBoomBah]

I've played with the big ones a lot too, for a very, very long time.

So did you chose the train life or did it choo-choo-choose you?

 

[VinnieBoomBah]

Railroads are powerful in controlling regulation.

 

[monks]

The article is not too wrong. The code of federal regulations for railroad bridges is half a page long. For highway bridges, it is several pages long. Railroads are powerful in controlling regulation.

Many railroad bridges in Oregon would be immediately closed if they were highway bridges. Short lines, like this one that derailed, are the worst.

It's a private road and they're less regulated than a class one, but yeah, the class one railroads are in rough shape these days as well. Read up on PSR if you're interested enough to know why. My advice is to stay clear at the railroad crossing.

 

[lucusloc]

On closer inspection the lead locomotive has a wheel on the ground as well. It drug the slug off when it went. It could have been a broken rail at the bridge due to the road bed sagging. The guy in the vest is trying to figure out how in the blazes he's going to get a crane setup to lift that slug. Depending on how many wheels are off on the leader they might be able to frog it back on and uncouple it, pull
it off the bridge. Then they can bring the crane in on the rail bed.

Yeah, I was looking at that setup. If they need to pick it up where it is that is going to be a very big crane to make the span from the bank. Do they have rail cranes that can lift a whole engine if they get close enough? If they can get everything else out of the way and roll the crane up that would significantly reduce the span (and hence the size of the crane needed).

 

[monks]

So did you chose the train life or did it choo-choo-choose you?

I was a young guy with a high school education in a rural town that was tired of being poor. A friend of my dad told me to go apply to be a laborer. That's how it all started. I applied myself, used my aptitude and moved up, got some education and became (one of) the best in my field. I'm the guy people call when they have a problem they can't solve. Kinda like the wolf man on pulp fiction, lol.