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President's Power to 'Turn-Off' the Internet

Discussion in 'Off Topic' started by RallySoob, Apr 13, 2009.

  1. RallySoob

    RallySoob Salem, OR Active Member

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    http://rawstory.com/news/2008/Cybersecurity_Act_seeks_broad_powers_0413.html

    A recently proposed but little-noticed Senate bill would allow the federal government to shut down the Internet in times of declared emergency, and enables unprecedented federal oversight of private network administration.

    The bill's draft states that "the president may order a cybersecurity emergency and order the limitation or shutdown of Internet traffic" and would give the government ongoing access to "all relevant data concerning (critical infrastructure) networks without regard to any provision of law, regulation, rule, or policy restricting such access."

    Authored by Democratic Sen. Jay Rockefeller of West Virginia and Republican Olympia Snowe of Maine, the Cybersecurity Act of 2009 seeks to create a Cybersecurity Czar to centralize power now held by the Pentagon, National Security Agency, Department of Commerce and the Department of Homeland Security.

    While the White House has not officially endorsed the draft, it did have a hand in its language, according to The Washington Post.

    Proponents of the measure stress the need to centralize cybersecurity of the private sector. "People say this is a military or intelligence concern," says Rockefeller, "but it is a lot more than that. It suddenly gets into the realm of traffic lights and rail networks and water and electricity."

    Snowe added, "America's vulnerability to massive cyber-crime, global cyber-espionage and cyber-attacks has emerged as one of the most urgent national security problems facing our country today. Importantly, this legislation loosely parallels the recommendations in the CSIS [Center for Strategic and International Studies] blue-ribbon panel report to President Obama and has been embraced by a number of industry and government thought leaders."

    Critics decry the broad language, and are watchful for amendments to the bill seeking to refine the provisions. According to opencongress.com, no amendments to the draft have been submitted.

    Organizations like the Center for Democracy and Technology fear if passed in its current form, the proposal leaves too much discretion of just what defines critical infrastructure. The bill would also impose mandates for designated private networks and systems, including standardized security software, testing, licensing and certification of cyber-security professionals.

    "I'd be very surprised if it doesn't include communications systems, which are certainly critical infrastructure," CDT General Counsel Greg Nojeim told eWEEK. "The president would decide not only what is critical infrastructure but also what is an emergency."

    Adds Jennifer Granick, civil liberties director of the Electronic Frontier Foundation, "Essentially, the Act would federalize critical infrastructure security. Since many systems (banks, telecommunications, energy)are in the hands of the private sector, the bill would create a major shift of power away from users and companies to the federal government."
     
  2. jordanvraptor

    jordanvraptor Oregon City, Oregon Well-Known Member

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    Its the modern equivalent of seizing the radio stations...
     
  3. RallySoob

    RallySoob Salem, OR Active Member

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    not really... being that users can input info as well as output. It would be more like shutting down all the international and national phone systems in america. Why wouldn't they want us to be able to communicate with eachother outside of what they can control? I look at like, emergency happens, martial law occurs, door to door confiscations next and no way to communicate to the next town or state that it is happening to you unless the mass media airs it over tv which we know wouldn't happen. After reading about Katrina and the stuff they have been training for lately it all seems like they want us as vulnerable as possible when/if it ever occurs.
     
  4. uscsoldier

    uscsoldier Salem, OR Bronze Supporter Bronze Supporter

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  5. Contento

    Contento Seattle Member

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    It's pretty sad that this doesn't surprise me at all...
     
  6. JumpWing

    JumpWing NK WA Member

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    And Skynet is born.
     
  7. timbernet

    timbernet Boring, Oregon Member

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    This should be interesting...
    My day job is a network engineer for an ISP - knowing the complexity of the Internet I would love to see how this will be implemented...

    That said - between my Amateur Radio setup and some other comm gear in my gear bag, if they shutdown the 'net during an emergency I can still communicate and setup comm links with others....
     
  8. jordanvraptor

    jordanvraptor Oregon City, Oregon Well-Known Member

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    Yes, Internet can contribute to input as well as output. That is what I meant by "modern equivalent." It is basic control of the flow of information whether it is being gathered or disseminated.
     
  9. armedandsafe

    armedandsafe Moses Lake, WA Active Member

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    Let'ssee if I understand this. They are afraid that some faction might attack and shut down the internet, so that justifies their having authority to shut down the internet when they please.

    Have I got it?

    Pops
     
  10. wakejoe

    wakejoe Beaverton, OR Well-Known Member

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    Unless they have one big giant pull-plug, I don't think they can shut down the internet. And even if they do figure it out, someone will just make a nation-wide LAN setup, making the same thing, for the most part. :D
     
  11. Weathermaker

    Weathermaker Washington Member

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    Just for info - the Internet started as a military/scholastic network funded by the government.
     
  12. Trlsmn

    Trlsmn In Utero (Portland) Well-Known Member

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    arpanet
     
  13. Weathermaker

    Weathermaker Washington Member

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    You nailed it buddy. ;)
     
  14. clearconscience

    clearconscience Vancouver, WA Well-Known Member

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    But most terrorists know that the govt monitors everything they can ie, phones, emails, internet, pretty much anything electronic.
    So most of them are going old school communicating face to face only. That's how they stayed away from capture in Iraq and Afghanistan.
    So what purpose does this really serve other than to control...........Ahhhh us?