Pistol confiscated

[VinnieBoomBah]

Great. Now I'm both slightly drunk and nostalgic

 

[Unka-Boo]

Great. Now I'm both slightly drunk and nostalgic

Have one for me!!!!

Gawd I miss beer....

 

[Knobgoblin]

Have one for me!!!!

Gawd I miss beer....

Where you at with that?

I keep thinking about trying non alcoholic wine , but it's probably terrible.

 

[Skully]

If rhe serial number was altered or removed its not something you should mess with. That said, ffl procedure there probably is one but I don't know if they are mandatory reporters. If its from a refinish ffl could just refuse to deal with it confiscated seems weird unless dogshlt ffl or its a actual removed serial.

 

[po18guy]

After 3 years, stolen property is no longer considered " stolen ".

( if it was reported stolen)

HOWEVER: Once a stolen firearm is entered into the National Crime Information Center (NCIC) database, it shows as stolen until recovered. Firearms are not purged from the system due to the passage of time.

 

[PDXbiker]

HOWEVER: Once a stolen firearm is entered into the National Crime Information Center (NCIC) database, it shows as stolen until recovered. Firearms are not purged from the system due to the passage of time.

Purchased a pistol on a GunBroker auction, from FFL gun shop. When it arrived here came up stolen. Local LE got the gun, I got a receipt. Upon contacting the gun shop turns out they had bought it in a lot from their local Police dept. That PD had never cleared it out of the NCIC database. Got an apology and a quick refund.

 

[orygun]

Yea no joke. I would have waited at the shop for LE to show up. If the pawn shop didn't call them I would have.

This! There's no way I would let anyone behind a gun counter take my gun and tell me to go away!
A lot of old 1911s had restamps with some of the stamps not very clear and the original not completely ground away.
Calling the cops might not settle the problem right then and there, but I'd surely not give up and go home.

 

[Unka-Boo]

Where you at with that?

I keep thinking about trying non alcoholic wine , but it's probably terrible.

Lets just say, dont put off going to the doc...ended up being type 2 beetus kicking my a$$...getting under control now, but A1C was sky high and I had dropped almost 50 pounds...
Liquid carbs are no bueno now..

 

[po18guy]

Purchased a pistol on a GunBroker auction, from FFL gun shop. When it arrived here came up stolen. Local LE got the gun, I got a receipt. Upon contacting the gun shop turns out they had bought it in a lot from their local Police dept. That PD had never cleared it out of the NCIC database. Got an apology and a quick refund.

D'oh! I personally know of two stolen guns which were not entered until one was taken as evidence, and one which was not entered because the caliber (required for entry) was not listed.

*** If a gun us ever stolen from you, call to make certain that it is entered into the state and federal (NCIC) systems.

 

[gmerkt]

HOWEVER: Once a stolen firearm is entered into the National Crime Information Center (NCIC) database, it shows as stolen until recovered. Firearms are not purged from the system due to the passage of time.

I second this ^^^ from personal experience. There is no such thing as a "three year rule" with respect to stolen firearms. It doesn't matter when the piece was stolen, it stays on the list until cleared by a law enforcement agency. After a recovery is made, it's supposed to be returned to the agency that initially reported it. Once returned, that agency typically attempts to return it to the owner who reported it stolen. If that attempt isn't successful, I suppose there are agency protocols for disposing of it.

In Wash., since the WSP got involved in the BGC, the first thing they check is the serial number. If that shows up on the National Stolen Gun List, the transaction is flagged, "Do Not Proceed."

I personally know of two stolen guns which were not entered until one was taken as evidence, and one which was not entered because the caliber (required for entry) was not listed.

It's important for agency employees to record and report the appropriate data. It's also important for officers in the field to know what they are looking at. It very important for owners to report the correct information: make, serial number and caliber. Some guns have kind of squirrelly situations, like US Carbine M1. Who made it can be a source of confusion to some officers, even if they see the maker's name under the rear sight. And what what maker was recorded on the original report? If the owner said, "M1 Carbine" instead of an actual manufacturer, it may never match up. Also, mistakenly reported names for makers might screw things up. Like a model vice maker name, "1911" instead of "Kimber."

 

[Hemlock]

So, in summary, if a legal seller shows up to sell or transfer a handgun and the gun has been unbeknown to him stolen years earlier, the FFL is going to confiscate the firearm for the law.
Kinda sucks that now the original owner that had the gun stolen and the present owner "both" loose out financially.
Bad guys win????

 

[MymuttBear]

Great. Now I'm both slightly drunk and nostalgic

Melancholy sucks eh!

 

[MymuttBear]

Have one for me!!!!

Gawd I miss beer....

Hah! Luckily there's an alternative, and it actually tastes good (if you like dark beer)

 

[orygun]

So, in summary, if a legal seller shows up to sell or transfer a handgun and the gun has been unbeknown to him stolen years earlier, the FFL is going to confiscate the firearm for the law.
Kinda sucks that now the original owner that had the gun stolen and the present owner "both" loose out financially.
Bad guys win????

Just before New Years I drove past a trailer for sale on the side of the road. Turned out that it was my trailer that had been stolen over 5 years ago. While I would have loved to have the thief arrested, the guy selling the trailer wasn't him. He was selling it for a friend who had been given the trailer, so they weren't really out anything.
It would definitely suck to buy a stolen item and be out the cash.

Still, in relation to the OP, I would wait for the cops to show up and tell me directly.

 

[orygun]

Hah! Luckily there's an alternative, and it actually tastes good (if you like dark beer)

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Lost my taste for Black Butte years ago, but there are other micro brewers making non-alcoholic IPAs and such these days. Not too bad, either.

 

[MymuttBear]

Lost my taste for Black Butte years ago, but there are other micro brewers making non-alcoholic IPAs and such these days. Not too bad, either.

The first time I visited Portland in 2009 I "found" Deschutes while waiting for my missus to pick me up from Eugene.
I was very happily working my way through their Stouts and Porters when she rang and said she was stuck in Eugene because of weather, back inside I went

 

[gmerkt]

So, in summary, if a legal seller shows up to sell or transfer a handgun and the gun has been unbeknown to him stolen years earlier, the FFL is going to confiscate the firearm for the law.

Yes. This is what happens. And a risk with guns having no pre-BGC history.

Of the 150 plus inherited guns that I sold, during the transfer process two were determined to have been stolen. One had been stolen in 1990-something, the other one in 2001. The previous owner bought all of his guns at gun shows. Before the BGC era that we are in now, there was no way to determine beforehand if a gun was a stolen piece. So in the body of all the guns for sale at any given time, there were unknowable stolen guns. I'm positive there are many stolen guns out there in the hands of unwitting owners. A condition that won't be known until the piece transacts again through the BGC system.

 

[RVTECH]

Before the BGC era that we are in now, there was no way to determine beforehand if a gun was a stolen piece. I'm positive there are many stolen guns out there in the hands of unwitting owners.

I OCCASIONALLY wondered about this at the time - and usually when I traded/bought a 'new' gun FTF.

Unfortunately a LOT of them will probably remain unknown as stolen possibly forever.

 

[gmerkt]

Unfortunately a LOT of them will probably remain unknown as stolen possibly forever.

Likely true for guns handed down to family members that bypass the BGC process.

For a long time, the National Stolen Gun List was accessible only to law enforcement agencies. As of June, 2024 this has changed. Now there is a process whereby an FFL dealer can apply to have a firearm run against the list. If it turns up as a match, FFL dealers are required to report it. I don't suppose most FFL dealers would run a gun against the list unless they had it in their possession. Meaning, why run it for a walk-in who then leaves.

"Possession of a stolen firearm" which is a crime. But how about when possession is unwitting? Say you bought a gun years ago off paper at a gun show; you had no reasonable way of knowing its status. Then later, it turns out to be stolen. If a prosecutor wanted to make a stink about this, I guess they could. Maybe in connection with a related issue and they really wanted to nail you. Example, your neighbor discovers that you are a "gun guy," suspects you have many, then calls the local PD and reports that you have an illegal arsenal. The PD gets a warrant, comes out and takes a look at your stash, doesn't find anything amiss. Then they are told to run serial numbers and an unknown stolen gun is found. Gotcha. I guess that's when you call William Kirk.

Catching stolen guns passively through the BGC system is a great way for LEO's and pols to claim they are reducing crime. "Just look at our statistics, we've recovered XXX guns this year, more than previously." Joe Public thinks recovering stolen guns equates to catching crooks, which in this case isn't the same thing.

 

[1775usmc]

Yea,

How many stolen guns we're sold private party unknowingly before the private party transfers were enforced?

I have quite a few guns I bought in parking lots that I have never checked…… something to think about.