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Discussion in 'General Firearm Discussion' started by gonefishinagain, Jan 3, 2014.
Obama administration proposes new executive actions on gun background checks | Fox News
I don't have a problem with this and I think it is one of the few rare reasonable proposals they have made.
Despite what the constitutionalists and hard core second amendments supporters feel, there are people out there that simply should not own or possess firearms. If you have a serious mental illness such as schizophrenia, psychosis, or think about harming others you don't need to have a firearm during this time. If it's treatable, great once you demonstrate you're not threat and not someone who will stop taking their meds, you have have a firearm, but if you're someone that isn't going to take care of themselves and relapse you're a threat to everyone.
Blah blah blah some of you will say the constitution is unconditional... wrong the constitution has its limits. You can't invoke the first, second or amendment to cause unjust harm.
Both Seung-Hui Cho the Virginia Tech shooter and James Holmes the Colorado theater shooter were seeing doctors for mental health issues before they purchases their firearms used in the shootings and both were extremely good candidates for having mental health holds placed on them. If they had holds, the background check system would have actually worked.
And I'm not saying we should open up back ground checks to a mental health free for all, a doctor will need solid reasoning such as the patient will actually have to say they have violent thoughts and pose an actual threat.
My concern is what it doesn't say. They are sneaks and liars and will abridge our rights in any underhanded way they can.
Go ahead and trust this tyrant. You have to pass it before you can know what's in it. You can keep your AR15 Period. :laugh:
Slippery slope, it is a slippery slope!! Give them this and before you know it, if you have been prescribed a sleeping aid you will be on the prohibited list. These inroads to freedom come at a price. Learn from history, so our children don't have to relive societies failures!
I would be much less concerned if this was actual law and not another EO. This becomes one of the slipperiest of slopes without a well thought out and reasoned debate leading to a truly well crafted law.
Lets use PDX’s example. Let’s say somebody accuses you of being crazy, a threat to yourself, etc. A doctor puts a “temporary mental heath hold’ on you (the old 5150 process). Does that one event now qualify you for firearms exclusion? I once rolled on a call for a 5150 that ended up being a severe blood sugar issue. She would had been placed on a “temporary mental health hold” since she was delusional and had no idea where or who she was and that the firemen and sheriff’s deputies she kept calling puppies weren’t in fact dogs.
So how does one successfully get their rights reestablished? Is a onetime incident grounds for a revocation listing for life? How fast must the reporting process work and how slow will the correction process be? What stops any anti-gun Dr. from doing what they like? We’ve already seen “issues” with the VA and the DOJ labeling veterans as “high risk” so how far do you think that process will go?
Lots more questions than answers but it’s a new year so we might as well dive in head first with our agenda process waiting desperately for another incident to exploit.
This is just perfect to fit right in with Obammycare(ACA affordable control act) Let the liberty continue to go bye bye But that is just fine with libs cause they know no line in the sand and even if it is a red line in the sand that gets skipped over anyway. Amazing how libs are so gullible.
Does this mean after this EO no liberalism the worst of mental diseases will have guns or exist in our culture? Then maybe obammy is on to something
Ever watch those TV commercials that promise to cure what ails you, all in one little pill.
Then right at the the end, they quickly spiel off the side effects like "taking this super duper erectile dysfunction pill might cause bleeding from your ears, heart attacks, loss of vision, etc, etc.)
This is the same thing, and there's no guarantee that right at the last minute, they won't change the language of the bill to include a backdoor policy to get what they are really after.
It's a real life Catch 22 when you think about it.
XO number one provides a precedent to make the government immune to HIPPA requirements.
XO number two can prevent you from owning a firearm if you are involuntarily committed. Them crazy Republicans and Tea Partiers, maybe? Any opposition group, perhaps?
Nothing this administration does is on our behalf. Its all about their power and ability to abuse it against us.
isnt that the truth
Once again we're giving up a little bit of privacy to be "safer".
Once the gate is open for the states to share "limited information", down the road they will push for more using the logic that "We're already receiving SOME information, what's wrong with a little more?". And once they have it all it will be "What's wrong with sharing it with others as long as they promise to keep it secret too?".
Give them an inch and they take a mile.
And...Once again this President bypasses Congress to infringe on our liberties! :angry:
YAY ! Lets give .GOV more power ! We don't need HIPPA ! They can be trusted, it's in our best interests, for the children !
Can't bubbleguming believe we have members on this board that are OK with this type of stuff. Every day we are losing more and more freedom in this country in the name of " safety ".
Please, wake the bubblegum up.
"The White House announced the proposals while President Barack Obama was vacationing in Hawaii."
Whitehouse 'fact' sheet
FACT SHEET: Strengthening the Federal Background Check System to Keep Guns out of Potentially Dangerous Hands | The White House
Already a thread here:
So we'll now have people without legal authority, making decisions on an individuals constitutional rights. Wonderful, just fricking wonderful!
"For example, DOJ is proposing to clarify that the statutory term “committed to a mental institution” includes involuntary inpatient as well as outpatient commitments."
Ever speak to a Pastor, Priest, Rabi or a counselor?
Ahh.. scrolled this thread and saw no one was talking about it.
Seems reasonable to me.